Now that DV2018 is over, and the dust is settling, it is natural that people want to know why the cutoff number in EU was so low compared to previous years, what happened, and will that repeat.
So – I have been looking at the data and wanted to give some analysis about that, just about EU which was the single biggest surprise from DV2018.
Generally speaking EU is a region that was previously “largely” predictable from year to year. Success rates, response rates, derivative rates were all fairly static. We knew that Uzbekistan and Ukraine would be cutoff during the draw (because of their enormous number of entries), but the rest of the countries behaved “normally”.
This “normal” behavior is important to be able to estimate final cutoffs since we could assume that for every 1000 cases, the results would be similar from one year to the next. Based on data available to me at the time, at the beginning of the year I estimated that the cutoff would be in the mid to high thirties for EU. Others were predicting either much higher numbers (like current) or much lower numbers, but the second group (the pessimists) generally were basing their numbers on pessimistic assumptions and misunderstandings, and certainly had no data to back up their claims. However, as the year continued, it became increasingly obvious that were were going to see a low final cutoff. Issued numbers were advancing much faster than should have been possible from a low number of cases processed. So – “people” (meaning the mass of selectees) were behaving differently than previous years.
When the selectee numbers were published three countries (Albania, Russia, and Turkey) stood out as having dramatic increases in their selectee counts. The data to understand that was only recently published (selectee numbers were only available up to DV2015 until recently, then 2016, 2017 and 2018 entries were published at the same time). With only the selectee numbers to go on, I assumed that some “artificial influence” was at work (as we have seen in previous years where agents registered huge numbers of people as part of a fraudulent scheme). This was referred to in discussions as my “agent” theory. I reasoned that high numbers of cases in those countries would be no shows or non responses because they were fraudulent entries. However, It became clear by Feb/March that the three new “big” countries were being issued visas, so the agent theory was busted.
So what is the explanation?
Well, the answer to that is in the 2016 to 2018 entry data.
I noticed that the “mix” of entries (and thus selectees) changed radically in DV2017 and particularly DV2018. That in turn means the mix of selectees will have changed.
We could see from the selectee count in DV2018 that along with the U2 countries, there were now significantly more selectees in Albania, Russia, and Turkey. However. looking at the data I see also large increases in entries from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Romania Tajikistan and Turkmenistan. Basically most of Eastern Europe. The increases were sudden and dramatic. All those countries had at least 50% more entries by 2018 as compared to 2016, some of them seeing doubling and trebling of entries in just a two year period. Western EU countries did NOT have similar growth.
Generally speaking those entries seem “non artificial”. My clue to that is if I see a country where the entries are increased rapidly but the derivative rate for the entries drops also, there is probably a scam going on. Only Moldova fits that criteria. DV2018 had twice as many entries from Moldova than it had in DV2017, but their derivative rate went from 1.6 in previous years down to 1.4. It seems someone has accessed a large database of people (probably an educational institution) and registered them proactively. That theory is confirmed by the number of selectees for Moldova. It had 6 times more entries than Romania, but only 3 times more selectees. The rates of selection should be the same within a region (unless a country is limited like the U2 countries). So – fraud detection methods kept many entries from Moldova out of the lottery winners.
Anyway – other than Moldova, there has been a big shift in the entries, so what does this all mean? Well, there has been a big increase of interest in the lottery from Eastern European countries in the past year or two. That means the “mix” of people within the selectee group has changed. As a group they will behave differently than previous years. They will respond at different rates, show up to interviews at different rates, have different derivative rates, and different success rates. Their motivations for moving from Eastern Europe are going to be stronger compared to selectees from Western Europe. This is not likely to have been a single year change, I suspect DV2019 and beyond will see similar trends (although we won’t know for sure for some time). So – we can expect the DV2019 selectees in EU to behave more like DV2018 selectees than selectees in previous years.
I should also point out that EU was allowed to exceed it’s quota which is a very good thing. That was possible mainly because AS region was under its quota by about 3000 visas (due to the travel ban). If the ban were to be lifted, that could change the DV2019 outcomes.
I don’t have any data to try and guess the final cutoffs for DV2019, so I am not going to answer the inevitable “what about my case number” questions for now. Please just read the basic questions post and show some patience. It is likely we won’t really know about EU until the final DV2019 VB in July 2019. There are many things that could happen between now and then – so – be patient.
October 31, 2018 at 12:35
by calculating the response rate, the start of the derivatives, the rejections of 2018 can we reach a conclusion of the 2019 dv ??i read the article for selectes 2019 Behave more selectees 2018
October 31, 2018 at 20:55
I have explained this to you over and over again.
October 29, 2018 at 20:15
Hi sir,
I read your opinion about final cutoff about dv 2018 on january becasue of the statistics,you said that final cut off will be around 33000 but it finished in 25775 what do you think why you did not predict accurately because yo have also response and other rates about dv 2018.What is your opinion will this happen also on january 2019?
October 29, 2018 at 21:57
I have written much about that. Please read what I have written.
October 14, 2018 at 13:12
Hello! I was kind of expecting a shift towards Eastern Europe (especially around Russia), but this exceeded my expectations. Do you think they will in DV-2019 or 2020 start slowing down some of the Eastern European countries like they do to countries in other regions like Egypt?
October 14, 2018 at 15:18
No, because the selectees are spread among many embassies.
October 11, 2018 at 13:28
every time i take a look at Historical Visa Bulletin Numbers – and difficult to understand what happend with 2018 and 2019 🙁 Af and Eu was Current or 40000-50000 cut off .. its sure they change the methodolgy of selection and the lottery in general…15 years was the same and in just 2 years…
October 11, 2018 at 14:22
Every year is different, and there have been no changes in the methodology for this year, although the DS260 processing improvements mean they don’t need high numbers in the early months.
October 11, 2018 at 13:08
6600 EU :((((
October 11, 2018 at 14:20
Were you expecting 20,000?
October 10, 2018 at 22:49
Is true that the second selection was in september?
October 10, 2018 at 23:06
I haven’t heard any credible reports of anyone being selected in a second draw.
October 10, 2018 at 17:22
Hello Mr. Simon. Could you please tell us, what is the response rate for Europe in 2018 ? Thank you.
October 10, 2018 at 22:06
The data is all available on Xarthius’ site. Please take a look so that you understand the data.
October 10, 2018 at 10:13
Hi Brit,
Interesting analysis but there is two aspects to take into account as well, the numbers of selectees in 2019 is much lower than in 2018 (32% lower) and there was a bug in the beggining of the process that means is a applicant where not very attentive his participantion is throw away..
Do you have the medium number of derivatives for UE please?
October 10, 2018 at 13:55
You have missed the point. This is not about overall selectee numbers, but rather on the change in the entries which determines the relative mix of selectees in each country.
October 10, 2018 at 17:06
Yes I understood your point, its just another elements to take into accound I think, no just about EU but for all countrys. (I am 2019EU29XXX so I have to believe in something…. 🙂 )
October 10, 2018 at 21:41
The best thing to “believe” is that your chance cannot be accurately estimated yet. There is a LONG time, and many things could happen. So – you simply have to be patient. In reality, you might not be certain until the final VB (July).
October 10, 2018 at 14:31
Briit no tell anything……for dv 2018 starting derivate is 1.99 final derivate is about 2.3……………Uestern europe for dv 2018 is most hight compared dv
dv 2019……derivate grothw up is a low for dv 2018…..from 1.99 starting final is 2.3…goog luck for all
October 10, 2018 at 17:53
Hard to understand what are you saying and these 37363 dots which you are putting everywhere dosn’t make you seem more intelligent. It is just trolling or something?
Look for:
1. DENSITY
2. HOW MANY PPL are coming for their interview.
3. Scrap captchas and check datas from xart site.
Just forget about total selectees number it does not mean anything.hmmm maybe that means that kcc knew what they were doing after dv2018 rollercoaster
October 9, 2018 at 08:44
What do you mean by current?
October 9, 2018 at 14:02
Read the FAQ.
October 9, 2018 at 06:13
I m a dv 2019 selectee. I submitted my ds 260 in June . Now , I can’ t log in to my ds 260 after the period of maintenance of the site . Please is there any proplem.
October 9, 2018 at 14:05
If you need to make changes, contact KCC
October 9, 2018 at 16:06
No i don t want change, but if there any problem: because before two months login ds 260, but now cant login.
October 9, 2018 at 16:19
No problem. Others are having the same problem.
October 8, 2018 at 18:28
It’s time to recognize that 2019 is a low year and July-August will be current!
October 8, 2018 at 04:46
Hello. 2018 dv loyyery has been ended.our case stuck on ready till 30 sep. No visa hope i knw.but today is 8 .they did not return our passports. Tell us what we should do we emailed the embassy but no reply.we called their.they said that deparment cant talk on fone after 2 week my husband and me have to go on offical trip.we are so worried.tell me .when they will return our passport.and we can approach. Plz
October 8, 2018 at 13:59
I have no special trick. Just contact the embassy.
October 8, 2018 at 01:11
Thanks Mr, Britsimon I just got my green card including my children, my case number is 2018AF36564 it got to be God, I am from Liberia
October 6, 2018 at 23:06
Hello brit i am really worried is there any chances AS6095 plz tell me dont say wait and see i am from nepal
October 7, 2018 at 01:09
https://britsimonsays.com/dv2019-basic-questions/
October 6, 2018 at 18:25
Hi Brit!
Can you please say, if you have some information.
How much selectee of EU was after DV2017’s first draw? I can see (from travel.state.gov) that DV2017 had about 28500 selectee. I mean, it was a number with first & second draw, after first draw it was for exp. 23000, then they add 5500?
Also I read other comment here. Person compared Azerbaijani and Tajikistani selectee numbers of DV2017, DV2019. They have too much increase. And we would like to know how it can affect result of DV2019? Thats why we need to know how much % of selectees in these countries usually get Visas? (Response rate)
Thank you in advance!
October 6, 2018 at 22:18
The announced numbers was only the first draw number. The second draw number was not announced.
I have given 2018 numbers and pointed out a number of countries that have had large increases. We don’t know if those increases continued – but you can look at DV2018 & DV2019 selectees for a clue.
October 7, 2018 at 00:21
eastern europe for dv 2015 had much more choice than in dv 2018 and we saw that the final visa buletin was much highter…….you can see selcted entrants dv 2015 to compare with dv 2018……..dv 2015 had much more EASTERN EUROPE…the visa buletin for dv 2015 is about 40000
October 6, 2018 at 16:24
It’s confusing any way all the best o who ever made it bad luck for those who did not , keep faith in God
October 6, 2018 at 09:03
is there any chance of going to the current ??
October 6, 2018 at 14:29
How many times are you going to repeat this question when I specifically write I am not going to answer those questions? It is EXTREMELY disrespectful, and makes me feel like ignoring or deleting your comments. Enough!
October 6, 2018 at 18:00
eastern europe for dv 2015 had much more choice than in dv 2018 and we saw that the final verb was much higher …… i see you i like the thoughts of others ….
October 6, 2018 at 17:20
no way. not for eu, but wait and see.
October 6, 2018 at 18:02
This forum is Briit Simon says and no Marta says……..
October 7, 2018 at 16:53
LOL, are you turkish? first of all , it is a blog:) second, I do not think that BristSimon would be mad for other users browsing and commentating his articles – specially when they are answering for infantile questions. He made great community here. Third, BS was right you are disrespectful – so that means your are extremely slow-minded or just troll. Both means you should be ignored.
October 6, 2018 at 07:54
Hello Brit
Congrats for this analysis. This trend is confirmed by the new political and socio-economical developments in the area, with the raise in the region of nationalistic/xenophobic/anti-EU political parties, plus a lot of visible big state protected corruption cases, a massive group (generally under 35 yr) has started to migrate. Indeed they are very determined and usually with good academic instruction, so they will have better chances to go through selection process. This is expected to continue for the next years, but is interesting to see how clear it is reflected in the numbers for the DV lottery.
October 6, 2018 at 05:41
Thank u Simon for ur analitics.
October 6, 2018 at 02:27
this is two contry ,,look diferrent…….i look xarthius file,, but no show embasyy Azerbaxhan and Tatkistan…..i have know succes rate and response rate for this two countries……you understand???
October 6, 2018 at 03:28
No.
October 6, 2018 at 01:27
Hello Briit?? i canculate this…….. DV 2017 vs DV 2019 Armenia 1669 1748 Azerbaxhan 470 1203 Belarusia 899 1355 Kosovo 384 286 Kyrgystan 292 693 Moldavi 1762 1138 Rumania 480 430 Tarkistan 414 1171 Serbia 376 307 Hungaria 153 92
TOTAL 6899 8413 thanks succes rate for Azerbaxhan and Tarkistan?????You know?? thanks for all Briit
October 6, 2018 at 01:53
What is your point?
October 5, 2018 at 23:59
Congrats to all Europeans,y’all have been getting the short stick of the bunch for many years, but I’m still jealous that Oceania gets better odds. Aussies, Kiwis, etc get at least 5% odds of winning even in low selection years. Compare that to the 0.5% chances of being selected us South Americans got last year, an all time low.
October 6, 2018 at 00:00
Well, if you can somehow get less South Americans to enter the lottery, the odds will improve.
October 5, 2018 at 22:58
Hi BritSimon,
Is any chance 2018EU338** to have date of interview?
Thank you,
Linda
October 5, 2018 at 23:43
No. DV2018 is finished.
October 5, 2018 at 22:47
What about the percentage drop in these countries? For 2018, percentage of selectees from Albania and Turkey way about 20%. But for 2019 this percentage is ambout 16%. This percentage is closer to the numers of 2017 which is about 15.7%. Do you think that this percentages say sth?
October 5, 2018 at 23:42
Your question is not clear.
October 5, 2018 at 22:32
so that means that the people from Estern Europe(for example Romania;2019 EU13*** ) will be intervied later or not even getting an interview?
Thank you so much for you help Brit ??
October 5, 2018 at 22:44
No, it doesn’t mean anything like that. People are interviewed according to their case number order, not the country they are from.