OK. I have only been awake a couple of hours, and I am getting a lot of questions already expecting answers. I would need more time to be precise, but already from the data there are some obvious points. Let me summarize some of the points fairly quickly.
First, I will provide a quick spreadsheet that has some important data points. The per region max case numbers assigned are there, plus the number of actual cases (i.e. taking out the holes). Then I input the selectees announced per region to get a “starting derivative rate”. Remember, each actual case number includes any derivatives on that case, and each person (including derivatives) is counted toward the quota as visas are issued. Because of marriages, births and so on, the final derivative rate is always higher than the starting derivative rate.
I also took a quick look at how many cases were current in DV2018. Why? Well, this is a quick (but not 100% accurate) way to assess how many cases were needed last year to fill the quota. I say it’s not 100% accurate because it does not take into account country differences. Just as there is a different derivative rate per region, there is also a different derivative rate per country. Additionally people within each country do not have the same education, motivation, financial ability and so on to go through the process. So – if we took 100 winners from France for example and 100 from Uzbekistan, the number of issued visas would not be the same. So – estimating at the regional level does not adequately take into account the mix of winners, and the percentage of winners from each country within a region can vary year to year depending on many factors. So – 15000 EU cases in DV2019 may not yield the same result as 15000 EU cases from DV2018. The same can be said for all regions.
Another factor that makes predictions hard is the changing political and economic landscape both in the USA and abroad. The DV process can be affected by a great many things. For example, Trump introduced the travel ban. That affected AS region immensely since many AS region DV selectees were suddenly banned. If the travel ban continues, AS region will go current – BUT if the ban were to be lifted (and I have no reason to say it will), then numbers would change. Similarly if a country were to suddenly be involved in political turmoil or war, that might take that country out of the picture and could affect regional outcomes. Finally, new DV processing procedures like the one recently implemented for documents have an affect. It remains to be seen how those procedures will impact the lottery. So – there is a difference between the mathematical calculations of how many people can get current, and the actual reality. If you really want an accurate prediction, wait until the final VB is released in July.
Now, every year when I give predictions I warn people to be careful. People ignore my comments and just remember the numbers. They ignore my cautions and later whine that “you said something and it turned out different”. So for the 1000th time of me saying this (and knowing that some people will ignore my warnings and later act like little children) – BE CAREFUL with assumptions and predictions. One additional word of caution. We might have some inaccuracy in the CEAC data due to the way it was collected. I believe it isn’t too significant, but again, just another reason to be careful.

So – comments for each region.
Africa.
Africa did not hit it’s quota last year, and the quota for DV2019 is slightly increased. There are less cases in AF region this year than went current last year. So – mathmatically and theoretically, AF region should be able to be current (all numbers able to get an interview). I am a little concerned about how AF cases will deal with the new document procedure. Generally speaking AF region is slow to respond to changes, meaning there are AF selectees that won’t have read about the new procedure (because they don’t read my page), and will simply wait for their 2NL that will not come. They will miss the emails asking for the documents and later complain that they were never asked for that. If that happens, AF won’t fill the quota. Conversely, the new procedure is designed to allow better processing of cases prior to the interview, hopefully to reduce the AP times we saw increased last year. That could help AF and other regions cases, but it is too soon to be sure. KCC and the embassies did an AMAZING effort at the end of the year to push through as many AP cases as possible. I’m sure they are hoping to avoid such last minute work this year.
Asia
Asia’s story is all about the travel ban. If the ban stays in place there is no way to meet the quota, and AS would go current. Looking at the data we can see that Nepal hit it’s selectee limit earlier than normal (just under 6400), and Iran numbers continue until around 11000. That has changed the density of the region, but again, the ban has such a high impact, the only question is whether the ban stays or not.
Europe
EU was allowed to exceed it’s quota by quite a margin in DV2018. We cannot be certain whether that will happen again or not. If it does, EU can probably go current – but “wait and see” will be the best approach. A lot will depend on AF region processing and whether there is a surplus of visas available to allow EU to exceed the quota. If not, the last thousand or so cases (28XXX and above) might have some reason to be concerned. There was a push toward Eastern EU countries over the last couple of years, and whilst I don’t have the data, I imagine that is the same – so I expect derivative activity and response rates etc to remain about the same as last year. The new document procedure should not be much impact in EU. I would expect people in EU to receive and respond to the new instructions, so I don’t think that will cause a significant change in the outcome.
Oceania
Pretty much a done deal that OC goes current. No worries mate.
South America
Again, I don’t expect any problems with SA region going current.
Nos os preocupéis, ¡amigos!
January 6, 2019 at 17:18
Thank for your hard working Sir.
I want to know that when we know the percentage of holes and the response rate in regions?
Best regards.
January 6, 2019 at 17:55
You have the data – no need to wait.
January 6, 2019 at 17:23
Thank you, Brit!
January 6, 2019 at 17:29
Hi Brit,
This is a wealth of information and thanks for your tireless effort. I have a question:
1. Just looking at ceac website, can we know if our case will fall in the hole ( disqualified) or “not hole” ( qualified for further processing)?
January 6, 2019 at 17:54
If you have a case number you made it through the first process.
January 6, 2019 at 17:40
Hi BritSimon, My name is Kebe,
My case number was current for January 2019 AF103xx do you know when can I get my 2NLs
Please?
January 6, 2019 at 18:17
It depends when you sent the DS260 and other documents. If you sent everything early enough you may get your 2NL later this month.
January 7, 2019 at 13:58
Hi Kebe,
I suppose you are Senegalese with your name.
Can you write me on [email protected]
January 6, 2019 at 17:43
Great job man…that s very confertible for us ..afriqua winners cz i have 2019AF43400…SO !!
January 6, 2019 at 17:50
I cant find you’r site i dont know why. I think something wrong
January 6, 2019 at 18:18
Huh?
January 6, 2019 at 18:32
Hi Simon.
It is worth two days solving captchas.
Your DV2019 analysis is amazing.
Thank you
January 7, 2019 at 09:15
It was good job 😀
January 7, 2019 at 17:11
TEAMWORK
January 6, 2019 at 19:12
god bless you Bri … If last year Africa for 27020 issues did not reach its quota …… Is it safe that this year will not reach its quota …. This year africa has 25000 issues … 2000 issues less than last year …… very much for your work…
January 6, 2019 at 19:31
You have the article. Please read it.
January 6, 2019 at 19:15
Brit from south america people many thanks
January 6, 2019 at 20:06
In case you want to correct this sentence:
“No te preocupes, Amigos!”
“Nos os preocupéis, ¡amigos!”
🙂
January 6, 2019 at 20:27
LOL!
I’ll fix it, just in case my wife reads it.
January 6, 2019 at 20:28
Hi Brit,thanks for your effort. I was denied visa in 2017.my case number was 2017AF00015****.But I just checked the ceac visa tracking site,it is still AP.And the last time they updated it was August 31st 2017.what could be the reason?
January 6, 2019 at 20:47
They just didn’t update it. It doesn’t mean anything.
January 6, 2019 at 20:29
Hi big Brit,
It seems when i read about dv visa process amendement, What i noticed was that, after sending Ds260, another thing to do is by sending a scanned birthcert and Criminal record to them before they continue the process.
What i need to assure is to know if truly it is “Birthcert and Criminal ?
Not yet filled ds260 but wonna be sure before doing that.
Be blessed
January 6, 2019 at 20:50
Read this:
https://britsimonsays.com/new-document-submission-procedure-update/
January 6, 2019 at 20:42
Sir,
Would you give any information about derivative growth?
January 6, 2019 at 20:49
It’s not important at this point. The article above uses real cases compared to the actuals of DV2018 (derivative rate being included).
January 6, 2019 at 21:01
I am so sorry Sir,but i could not understand what are the real cases mean at this point?is it the final number of real cases for dv 2019?also how can i know response rate?
January 6, 2019 at 21:08
I suggest you read the series of articles I posted some years ago. Start with the one below and read them all PLUS the one about holes etc.
Forget response rate for now. Just learn what you are talking about.
https://britsimonsays.com/dv2016-analysis/
January 6, 2019 at 22:12
hello briit!!Can you explain something please??i look Eu region for 6600 case number issued 3100 ap 560 ready 1192 total 5000 visa???is so hight???
January 6, 2019 at 23:16
That’s not high at all. You are not taking into account derivatives.
January 7, 2019 at 00:57
Sir As you said Nepal will hit its limit earlier under 6400. Is my case number 2019As56** safe .
January 7, 2019 at 01:07
What I SAID was that there are NO cases for Nepal higher than 6400. Given the number of selectees, I don’t think Nepal has a problem.
January 7, 2019 at 01:34
My analysis of current numbers. The data provided confirms all numbers in all regions will be current by September 2019 (in last visa bulletin or maybe earlier).
January 7, 2019 at 01:39
Hi sir
Happy new year
Last year kcc wasted visas for As region not distrubied as region this year if travel ban stays as will go to current?
January 7, 2019 at 02:04
I think I covered that above!
January 7, 2019 at 01:41
My analysis of irregularities per regions.
AF – four limited countries, with limits AF20492 and around AF23420, AF29070 and AF32870. The limited countries in alphabetical order are Congo, Egypt, Ethiopia, Ghana.
AS – two limited countries, with limits AS6321 and AS11515. The limited countries in alphabetical order are Iran, Nepal.
EU – limited countries, with limits EU10723 (Uzbekistan) and around EU20754 (Ukraine).
OC and SA – no limited countries.
January 7, 2019 at 05:45
Hello Agnostic,
When you are talking about the limits, that means there is no selectee for that country above the limit? Or what you mean about the limit?
January 7, 2019 at 06:06
It’s explained here:
https://britsimonsays.com/the-lottery-draw-process-holes-theory-and-so-on/
January 7, 2019 at 06:37
Dear Brit Simon,
I have read almost of your blog. But there are few things still un-clear to me. I think that is because of my lack of knowledge.
Really Appreciate, If you could asnwer to my question.
I am from Sri lanka and my Case # 2019AS00014XXX. (DV2019)
I already submitted DS260 in Last August 2018.
Reason fo rthis question, In your blog 1 person said fir ASIA 15,619 selected. Travel ban apply to Syria, Yeman & Iran (Total 5,812). Remaining 9,800 selectees.
I can’t understand the “HOLE” theory also.
My question is this,
Will I have a good chance for the interview with this case number?
Because, I am planning many chnages for myself and family according to this, even my child’s education. Therefore, your reply is very very important to me.
Thank you in advance.
January 7, 2019 at 12:57
i suggest don’t make any plans first, selling your assets etc.
just wait till July to be sure
January 7, 2019 at 17:08
Thomas Tks for the reply.
So you think, out case number will be current in July and we might be interviewed in July or August?
January 7, 2019 at 14:27
Again. Just as explained above. If the travel ban remains, AS region can go current.
January 7, 2019 at 17:09
that means, if travel ban lift
I will get NO CHANCE
January 7, 2019 at 17:13
That would depend WHEN the travel ban were lifted (if at all). If that happened tomnorrow, there would be time for Iranians to be processed. If it happened in June/July there would be NO time for Iran to take enough visas.
January 7, 2019 at 06:56
dear Brit
I read your analysis for AF region but what about Egypt, It is a limited country and the only country that has separate visa bulletin every month in AF region.
my CN AF22xxx and i know that i am in the back line of Egypt CN.
can you please analyse my situation & Egypt situation in general.
January 7, 2019 at 14:32
You have a good chance. Patience.
January 7, 2019 at 08:06
Hi Bri
Thank you so much for your work be blessed.
January 7, 2019 at 09:01
Hi Brit, I send my ds 2 months ago, my case num is 2019AF22xx, but till now I didn’t receive the email yet. What do you suggest me to do please. Regards
January 7, 2019 at 14:33
You can get your documents ready to send to KCC. Send them if you want.
January 7, 2019 at 13:16
Hi recocanovic,
I will elaborate some more about my technique.
My technique allows separating four distinct intervals for the limits in DV2019:
AF22840-AF24800, in average AF23820, limit for one country, most likely Egypt
AF28350-AF29790, in average AF29070, limit for one country, most likely Ghana
AF20491-AF20493, very narrow bounds around number AF20492, limit for one country, most likely Ethiopia
AF32140-AF33600, in average AF32870, limit for one country, most likely Congo
For instance, for DV2018 for AF region my technique separated 3 intervals for the limits –
AF21467-AF22073, limit for one country (later happened to become limit for Egypt, AF22059)
AF25206-AF25994, common limit for two countries (later happened to become limit for Ghana, AF25408 and a separate limit for Ethiopia, AF25793, both within the interval predicted, my technique did not allow to separate them)
AF34658-AF37147, limit for one country (later happened to become limit for Congo, AF36104)
Back to DV2019
The limit for Uzbekistan is very narrow (EU10722-EU10724), while the limit for Ukraine is wider (EU20717-EU20791)
The limits for AS region are also very narrow:
AS6319-AS6324, limit for one country, most likely Nepal
AS11511-AS11519, limit for one country, most likely Iran
January 7, 2019 at 13:32
Hi Agnostic,
What do you think about the EU region?is there any chance for EU for being current until september?
January 7, 2019 at 14:40
You have managed to make something that is quite simple sound very scientific, and even then you got the country order wrong.
January 7, 2019 at 13:21
Oops. Typo. Correct order for DV2019 is:
AF20491-AF20493, very narrow bounds around number AF20492, limit for one country, most likely Egypt
AF22840-AF24800, in average AF23820, limit for one country, most likely Ghana
AF28350-AF29790, in average AF29070, limit for one country, most likely Ethiopia
AF32140-AF33600, in average AF32870, limit for one country, most likely Congo
January 7, 2019 at 14:41
Still wrong on the country order.
January 7, 2019 at 13:43
Sir,
Let’s suppose for EU region data illustrates us between 26xxx-27xxx hole rate is 65% and no response is 35%.It means after this case numbers will be current issuing visas will come from only 35%?
Best regards.
January 7, 2019 at 13:53
My answer to Turan. I believe the numbers for all regions (maybe except Africa) will become current earlier than for September 2019, at least for August or even earlier than that, maybe much earlier. I believe quotas for all regions will be underfilled, maybe except Africa
For Africa they will still become current by September, but they might not become current earlier than that, provided Africans respond well to the new document procedure (in that case African quota will be filled). If Africans have a slow response to the new procedure, African numbers will also become current much earlier than for September 2019, and African quota will be underfilled too.
January 7, 2019 at 14:05
My second answer to Turan. Yes. Holes do not produce visas anyway. Visas could come only from the rest 35%, but some of the winners would still not respond, for instance in DV2018 34% of European winners under the final cutoff for DV2018 were still at NVC stage by the end of September 2018. So, out of of those 35% in your example only about 66% (if in DV2019 the non- response rate is the same 34% as in DV2018) would respond (35% x 66% = 23%), what makes the visas produced only by 23% of all sequential numbers
January 7, 2019 at 14:55
My answer to Britsimon.
>Still wrong on the country order.
I said most likely. Anyway, if you know the order for sure, what is the right order?
January 7, 2019 at 15:00
“Most likely”? What evidence did you use?
January 7, 2019 at 16:54
Please Briit can you give your opinion The response rate is 0.5 dv 2019, last year at the start it was 0.48, and then, at the expense of the OZA, it rose to 0.65, the coefficient on derivatives also increased, that is, this year dv 2019, so far, each case takes more visas (2.97) than in the past (2.26).dv 2018
Last year, by this time, 3,900 visas were guaranteed, this was already 4,200. In the next or a couple of next bulletins, the step will be increased (to 3000-3500) to compensate for the drawdown due to sending documents, and then reduced to 2000 or this drawdown is spread evenly throughout the remaining year, then the step will be 2500 i think is TOTALY WRONG ??
January 7, 2019 at 17:06
My opinion is that you have copied someone else’s words and pasted here without bothering to understand what is being said.
I have explained my thoughts above – read that.
January 7, 2019 at 17:18
My answer to Britsimon. When a country has a drop, the density of winners changes at that point. Because you know how much the density changes at that point, you could calculate how many winners the country has (you assume the winners for the country have the same density from the number one until the limiting maximum number where the drop occurs). So, looking at those 4 drops you could see how many winners overall each of those countries have. That is how in DV2018 it is clearly seen that drop in the interval AF25206-AF25994 is produced by two countries, not one, because the number of winners is about 8000-9000, what is too much for one country. So, in DV2019 case we could calculate the number of winners for each limited country. We know the number of winners from Visa Bulletin. Compare and e vu’a la – you get which country produces each particular drop. Of course, we know that Egypt and Congo have the same number of winners. So, I cannot be sure that Egypt is the first drop and Congo is the last one, it could be vice versa. However, historically Egypt was a limited country for almost every year, and Congo only recently joined the club of limited countries, with much larger limit than Egypt, so I assume the limit for Egypt (in terms of when the drop occured) this time is also smaller than the limit for Congo, as in 2016 and 2018. So I put Egypt first and Congo forth.
Now tell me what evidence you have to say that my order is wrong.
January 7, 2019 at 17:55
First – you can use reply to keep comments together in a conversation.
You are making mistakes because you are not taking in to account the difference in derivative rates. The number of selectees for each country is not the point, it’s the number of cases you should be looking at. If you had done that you would have realized that Ghana cuts off before Egypt – and indeed we have plenty of Egyptians in the 21/22/23 range – which should not be possible according to your logic.
An easy way to have understood that would have been to read my explanation of the draw process which explains fully what you are trying to understand.
Now – as to where the precise cutoffs are, and what the order actually is – is doesn’t matter. People with cases from each country don’t need to know – they already have their number. Others don’t need to care which country cuts off, or the precise number of the cutoffs (not that you can be as precise as you seem to believe) because the density overall is what is important.
January 7, 2019 at 17:19
Simon What is the date that interview No. 18000 can be made Egypt Africa ???
January 7, 2019 at 17:56
Be patient.
January 7, 2019 at 17:26
i think we can predict the next visa bulletin.
January 7, 2019 at 17:35
eno dont listen to this anathemo bulshit
January 7, 2019 at 18:17
You are right…..i listen but i understand something….He has WRONG……
January 7, 2019 at 17:43
Hey I have another question! Us government is closed, so probably the embassies. So we have lost already two weeks and we do not know when it will come back. Do you think this will affect the total number of cases? Or the number announced for February?
January 7, 2019 at 18:00
I have answered this question MANY times. The shutdown does not have an immediate impact on visa activity, although it could do if the shutdown were to continue for a long time (which I doubt).
January 7, 2019 at 17:46
Hi Brit my case no is Af2092x i submitted ds last year August yet i didn’t recieve any mail so knw if i send my document to them with out asking them will it bring any effect to me . Thanks for you response.
January 7, 2019 at 17:52
Brit,do you remember the starting derivative rate in DV2018?
January 7, 2019 at 20:39
Sure 1.99
January 7, 2019 at 23:08
no bro,im asking about dv2018 ,not dv 2019
January 7, 2019 at 17:53
HEY brit thanks for everything you are great ….brit does the photo which we posted on dv registration period / entrant period affects our visa approval or denial ???? Hoping for your opinion brit
January 7, 2019 at 18:03
It can have an affect, yes.
January 7, 2019 at 18:13
Brit , you are alwayse the best
January 7, 2019 at 18:14
My answer to Britsimon. Knowing the derivative rates for each country (from previous year) you recalculate the number of winners to the number of winning cases for each country. I am not making any mistakes, I just thought this step is obvious and does not need commenting. It works unless the situation in this country has changed significantly since last year.
Why do you say Ghana cuts off before Egypt? In DV2018 Egypt cut off before Ghana. And I was not comparing Ghana to Egypt, I was comparing Congo to Egypt. Why did you start talking about Ghana from the very beginning?
I understand that each person has a number. However, you do not. That should be of interest to you.
>Others don’t need to care which country cuts off
I think you do.
January 7, 2019 at 19:29
“I understand that each person has a number. However, you do not.”
LOL!
January 8, 2019 at 12:49
Haha,Brit why Ghana cut off before Egypt.Are you Ghanaian or you have relative linkin to Ghana.it seems u too concern with Ghana Ghana ….this or that.
January 8, 2019 at 14:47
Ghana is a special case. I lesson in how NOT to do things. I have watched Ghanaians messing themselves up for years. 2 million people on entries, resulting in a few hundred visas issued.
January 7, 2019 at 18:29
Are you saying Egyptians in the range 21/22/23 are plentiful in DV2019?
January 7, 2019 at 19:25
“Plentiful” – I can’t quantify that, but yes they exist. In your theory, they shouldn’t.
January 7, 2019 at 19:40
Yes, in my theory they should not. And I am more or less (I would say rather more than less) sure that the first drop (AF20491-AF20493) is for Egypt. There could be small amount of individual cases above 20xxx, but just very few ones.
January 7, 2019 at 19:50
Well as I said. It doesn’t really matter.
January 7, 2019 at 20:37
Hi Simon.
My question is:
Can they give out 40,000 visas with the argument that they didn’t manage to process everyone ?
Thank you.
January 7, 2019 at 21:07
Yes
January 7, 2019 at 21:29
Hi Brit!
I’m currently living and working in the US (L1 visa), going to go through the AOS process.
My case number is 2019EU217xx (should be safe according to the statistics). But the USCIS web site says that current I-485 form (AOS) processing time is from 8.5 to 17.5 (!) months for my region.
Do I understand correctly that my AOS case must be processed before the 9/30 deadline? Will I be able to make it with my case number or should I consider other ways?
Thank you!
January 8, 2019 at 00:14
Yes the case will sunset on 9/30, BUT you can ignore the standard AOS times. DV cases move faster, and you can file early. You should read the link below to guide you through the AOS process.
https://forums.immigration.com/threads/dv-2019-aos-only.337772/
January 7, 2019 at 23:18
…. Thank you for everything … God bless you and your family
January 7, 2019 at 23:38
If it did not matter, you would not try to identify even the list of limited countries in your analysis. But you were trying to find the limits and the countries – for a number of years.
January 8, 2019 at 00:21
LOLOLOL
January 8, 2019 at 11:20
Since I am from Ethiopia, this conversation about limit appears to be interesting to me. However, I couldn’t grasp the crux. So, my question to you is that;
1. How do I know the number of selectees or cases that are Lined before me? For example, my CN is 273XX and I made a rough calculation like 27000 – 30%hole, which will be 18900 selectees before me in AF region. But this figure couldn’t give me nothing to conclude where my line is found in Ethiopia. I understand that I’m at the back of the line (in Ethiopia) but I wanna learn how far I am?
Thanks,
January 8, 2019 at 14:50
It doesn’t matter because Ethiopia won’t hit the 7% limit anyway. Just exercise a little patience.
January 8, 2019 at 08:18
Hi BritSimon,
Thank you so much for all of your help! What a confusing process this is in some ways. I might be a bit lacking in IQ points but I was wondering if you could clarify your OC comments? When you say they will go current are you suggesting that all of the OC applicants should get through?
I have not yet submitted my DS260 yet (but am planning to as soon as I get my documents together) and am starting to worry that I may be leaving my run too late. I have a case number of xxx79 so I am able to interview any time now. What would be the latest (in your opinion) that I could hope to interview and still get in?
Sorry if this is all very obvious. I did try and look through all of the comments etc but didn’t really get any satisfaction.
Thanks
Shelby
January 8, 2019 at 14:35
All OC cases will be able to get interviews. You can delay submission until about April or even May with no problem.
January 9, 2019 at 16:57
Thank you! Appreciate your swift reply 🙂
January 8, 2019 at 09:55
Hi Simon,
Sorry this not related to above topic but we apricate your feedback
We are one of travel ban effected country and we are on process to get our dual citizenship by this March- April.
Have 3 Q:
1 – if we been called to interview before receiving our passport but we have letter from government showing we are under process is that enough to keep our case AP?
2 – is there way to delay my interview until get my second passport?
3 – if we got our passport before interview, do we need to update our D260 or just bring document to the interview?
thanks
January 8, 2019 at 14:39
1. I don’t know.
2. Don’t submit your DS260
3. Update.
Your plan MIGHT work, but there might be long AP after interview anyway, so you will still have risk.
January 8, 2019 at 15:19
will keep updating you,
many thanks
January 8, 2019 at 09:56
We are waiting patiently in Ghana . our embessy shall be filled with many cases next month in Accra.
January 8, 2019 at 10:01
Thanks for more explanations.
January 8, 2019 at 10:09
Is interesting