I am seeing questions from people about a couple of new legal options DV2020 lawsuits and so on, and I feel like I need to be a bit more clear with my readers about these lawsuits. I had previously posted about current status for DV2020 selectees (see that post here) and in that video I had addressed a lawsuit being proposed by an attorney by the name of Nicolette Glazer. I had said that I do NOT recommend anyone enlist on that lawsuit or any further cases because there is no need (since all cases are covered under the Gomez class) and no chance of success (because the suit would be filed after the end of the September 30, 2020 deadline).
Jesse Bless had created a statement explaining the same exact point (that no one should participate in new lawsuits), and I have seen posts/comments from Charles Kuck and Curtis Morrison agreeing with Jesse Bless. So it should be clear that there is no need to enroll in a further lawsuit such as the one suggested by Nicolette Glazer. Of course, you are free to decide for yourself and participate in that lawsuit if you wish. Your money, your choice.
Now, I have also become aware that Curtis Morrison has started a new project again designed to help DV2020 cases. Firstly, it’s not a lawsuit. He is quite clear about that – and that is why it is called a “project” – you can read about it here – Project Voyager.
He is trying to do two things.
1. Raise money to finance lobbying efforts to persuade congress to write some law to get remaining unused visas for DV2020 made available again. This is legislation (changing the law) as opposed to litigation (lawsuits).
2. Provide Legal assistance “by actual attorneys” to help DV2020 cases progress their cases through Consular Processing if the 9095 visas are issued or the lobbying were to be successful.
So – I feel I need to state my own opinion in a clear way, because otherwise I will get lots of questions on this topic. So here is my personal opinion (and Curtis will, I’m sure, disagree or correct me where he sees fit).
1. I would be happy to see more lobbying for DV2020 cases, but it is extremely unlikely to achieve the desired result. Lobbying is persuasion, and exercising political influence with lawmakers to build sympathy for a certain position. It cannot be guaranteed to work, and indeed Curtis and Rafael have already spent money on lobbying without result. To be perfectly honest, I think congress will have too much on its plate trying to rebuild the mess that Trump is leaving to spend time to craft law that would retroactively help DV2020 cases. I believe the existing legal options being worked are, in my personal opinion, as much as we can expect and the best remaining chance.
2. Legal assistance “by actual attorneys” is not usually required for the vast majority of DV cases. The questions needed to be asked are answered more accurately and more effectively “by actual DV experts” – and respectfully none of the fine lawyers who have been helping DV are conversant enough with procedures to be helpful with normal cases. They know law, but they don’t know DV, certainly not anywhere near as well as people such as Sm1smom, SusieQQQ or of course myself, and probably a few others around here and other forums. So unless there is a need/benefit to sue someone (which is not what CM is offering as I understand it), DV cases do not need a lawyer to answer the questions that come up.
3. In his project description and video Curtis is again misunderstanding and over estimating the potential numbers of people affected. I have tried to explain this to him, but he seems to have misunderstood what I explained, or thinks he knows better. He is clearly incorrect. He says there are 60,000 selectees (and he infers an additional number for spouses and children of those selectees) who will miss out on DV2020 and this creates an impression of many thousands of people still being impacted. That is incorrect. He is basing his numbers that on the approximately 20k visas already issued leaving approximately 60k from the original 83k selectees. I have explained to him that a large percentage of those 83k would never have proceeded in any case (for example, normal non responses), and any of you that have paid any attention at all should understand that the 83k includes spouses and children. Had DV2020 had a normal year of processing (with full speed from KCC and the embassies and without COVID) the 83k selectees would have yielded about 45,000 issuances at most. We have had almost 20k of those, so there can only be around 25k left and that number INCLUDES spouses and children. So – if the Gomez case is finally successful and we get the 9095, that would mean about 15,000 people will be left without visas.
To be clear, if the Gomez suit fails, then the chance of lobbying working is further reduced, so the additional impact of lobbying would be for those 15,000 visas. But the chance of success of lobbying is extremely low.
So – if you feel you want to donate $500 to help fund the lobbying, then do please go ahead, but please only do that if you are financially able to do that knowing there is very little chance of success.
November 28, 2020 at 19:47
Hi brit thank you am dv 2021 and still didnt get 2nl am from kenya
November 28, 2020 at 19:54
So sad to see people didn’t try to travel (when they did have the interview and Visa) to valid their Visa.
Good luck to everyone ! ??
November 28, 2020 at 19:56
You and Charles Kuck work really to help dv2020 winners, but it seems that Curstis loves more money. Thanks sir for this update. But please don’t forget dv2021, we already lost 3 months and will probably lost more.
November 28, 2020 at 20:05
Not forgetting anything…
November 29, 2020 at 04:24
In Curtis’ defence, I don’t think there would be 9095 visas remaining if it wasn’t for Curtis’ efforts (I was plaintiff and happy to have contributed financially to a process that helped/will help 1000’s get visas free of charge though the combined efforts and contributions of the different lawyers). More importantly, possible to implement a twitter / brtitsimonsays life ban for anyone that ever uses the phrase “what about dv2021” again in response to the madness that has been dv2020 lawsuits? 😛
November 29, 2020 at 04:29
Well I think all the lawyers, including Curtis and Rafael, played important parts. The Gomez team crafted their arguments well to secure the class that protects all the DV2020 cases, and Charles Kuck did a great job with oral arguments and did well to get his plaintiffs through.
November 29, 2020 at 05:39
agreed, they all did well. I am very thankful to the other teams (and feeling lucky that all the cases were heard together to get the benefit) and to the help you gave them all. it’s all been a bit surreal.
November 29, 2020 at 06:52
Brit, Do you think DV2021 has lost the month of January too? 🙁
November 29, 2020 at 15:06
If we get to Tuesday without 2NLs, yes that will likely be the case.
December 1, 2020 at 02:09
So I guess its safe to say that we lost January too 🙁
December 1, 2020 at 17:30
Dear Brit Simon I winner dv 2020 The US Embassy in Yerevan instructed me to renew and resubmit my expired documents, like medical examination results, police certificates, and send them to the Consular Section through UMAKS courier services in Armenia. So, I made an appointment with the doctor and on August 24 passed the medical examinations one more time. The next day doctor phoned me and said I would make an X-ray again by the request of the Embassy specialists. On August 26 I made it one more time. Then the doctor gave a referral to a laboratory to pass special tests. The duration of those tests were 3 days. On August 27, 28 and 29 I went to the laboratory and passed all the tests. The results of the first test was «negative». The second one would come in some days and the laboratory doctor was almost sure it would also be «negative». But the result of the third and final test as I was told would be ready in 60 days that is on October 29, 2020. To my question if the Embassy is aware about the duration of the results, the laboratory doctor said they surely knew about it. On November 2, I received the results of the third and final test. It was “negative”. I took the original of the results to the doctor. She said she would contact the Embassy to let them know about the results. Anyway I sent the copies of the tests together with my passport via UMAKS courier services. Since then I haven’t received a reply.
December 1, 2020 at 20:31
In normal circumstances your case would have died on September 30th. It cannot wait for incomplete medicals.
However, if the court case is finally won, you may be able to get a visa from one of the reserved 9095. HOWEVER, depending on timing you might have to repeat the medical again, and that could have the same delays.
December 16, 2020 at 06:15
Hello, reading the dv 2020 updates, do I understand correctly that 9095 visas will be issued in April 2021?
December 16, 2020 at 21:47
Unfortunatly no :/
December 17, 2020 at 00:02
No – that is not a certainty. It could be a little before then, or after then, or never.
November 28, 2020 at 20:51
Maybe Curtis is doing so willingly with a good intention taking into consideration how the previous hearing ended with only 9095 visa . So requesting for much more visas or making a very high estimate could end up getting something like 20 or 15k visas. Bc Kuck and others request for 30k visas and just 9095 was granted. However we hope that it doesn’t make things worse
November 28, 2020 at 22:24
It can’t make anything worse.
December 1, 2020 at 20:55
It is not yet known when the judge will announce the final decision?
December 1, 2020 at 22:09
November 28, 2020 at 21:39
Spot on Sir
November 28, 2020 at 21:39
Hi mr.Brit am DV 2020 winner from Jerusalem ( Palestinian side ) , thank you very much for being clear to us , thank you for ur endless effort , while you are trying to help people for nothing , there are many around trying to fool us to take our last pennies .
I was applying for DV Lottery for 10 years , I really wished to have the green card , but if I didn’t get it , it’s fine and it won’t be the end of the world and I will go on , but I will always remember Brit Simon , the guy who where living in our brains and keep guiding us and help to process our DV application for FREE.
Thank you very much Mr Simon and I will keep praying for you and ask the God to bless and keep you and your family safe…
November 28, 2020 at 22:25
Thank you for the kind words.
November 28, 2020 at 21:53
Thank you Mr. Brit for all your help and for all the knowledge you share with all of us
November 29, 2020 at 01:05
Thnx Mr Brit for ur clearly understand we Appreciate ur tired effort towards the entire Dv process we’ll keep looking forward to ur Advice once again thx ??????
November 29, 2020 at 01:17
Thanks a lot for sharing your expertise!
My wife’s cousin was selected in DV2020, went to the interview towards the end of September and was asked for extra documents to confirm his work experience.
He sent the documents but was rejected because there wasn’t time to *review* those documents by September 30th, rather than because of what was in the documents.
Would the approval of the extra 9095 visas affect his case in any way, for example by allowing for extra time to review his supporting documents? Or nothing is possible for his case since it already went through the process?
November 29, 2020 at 04:21
There is a possibility to continue the review IF the legal case is finally won.
November 29, 2020 at 07:23
How many pple are left to be interviewed, so that I do my own assessment to see the chances of me in grp 5 being interviewed, so that I can/cannot renew my police clearance cert. Abt 20k pple left will mean everyone might probably get their chances for the 9k visas. Coz not everyone will make it. My opinion
November 29, 2020 at 15:17
Group 5 have a very small chance.
I don’t really understand your math (20k means everyone can have a visa with 9095 remaining????), but if you had read the article or watched the video you would have your answer. About 25k people remain who will want and qualify for the visa – so 15k won’t get it. THe priority will likely go by which cases are already at the embassies, remaining named plaintiffs and then perhaps case number and or readiness for scheduling.
November 30, 2020 at 06:32
Dear Sir, thanks very much for all ur efforts to update and get us thr this thing. What I mean is that not everyone who attends the interview get selected. Of 5k pple interviewed, only like 3k might get their visas. The rest might be rejected for one reason or another. And some pple will not even go for the interview.
November 30, 2020 at 15:17
As I had already explained, I took that into account.
December 4, 2020 at 02:31
Abt 30k cases remaining to be interviewed, with abt 35k visas still available (if I’m correct). God help us. Tnx as usual Mr Brit
December 1, 2020 at 16:03
Are you talking about the remaining named plaintiffs those of the first trial not serving or either the first and the second?
thank you sir
December 1, 2020 at 16:50
Your question is unclear.
December 2, 2020 at 06:21
my question is the following you suggested in a response that priority will be given to those who have their case at the embassy, to the remaining complainant etc … I would like to know if the complainants you are talking about are those of the first trial delivered on September 4 or September 30
thank you very much for everything you do to us
December 2, 2020 at 15:00
We don’t know whether remaining named plaintiffs will have priority or not. We have to wait for the decision.
November 29, 2020 at 07:49
Hi Mr Simon,
I want to appreciate you for your tireless effort aways toward our dreams, please these are few questions that I would like you to make me understand about the new impose rule by Trump almost three days ago about a $15,000 post bonds to enter USA which he has applied to or soon effecting 15 African countries as of December 24, 2020.
(1) Want to know if it’s applicable to DV lottery people or if this is limited only to Business People, visiting people or Tourism?
(2) Want to know if it’s applicable to DV lottery from Africa, will September 30 visa holders be excluded in this rule or included?
Many thanks and looking forward for reply
November 29, 2020 at 08:43
The $15000 bond is only applicable to business, tourism or visiting visas and not DV. The intention of this bond is urge African travelers to leave US when their visa expires and in case u don’t leave then the amount paid becomes the US govt property.
November 29, 2020 at 20:41
November 29, 2020 at 15:21
It doesn’t affect DV at all.
November 29, 2020 at 20:35
Thanks Mr Simon
November 29, 2020 at 13:05
Thanks for this update , I have a question : If we win the 9095 visas what the base merits will match ? Surely you don’t know but do you think that’s it will possible to help everyone merit will be applied for only applicants and not derivatives? Maybe this is a sense to close lot of cases and after applicants will could apply for family once they have the GC ? This is just a question
November 29, 2020 at 15:34
I have no idea what you are talking about.
November 29, 2020 at 16:16
Ok my question is : if it’s is possible to distribute the 9095 visas only to applicants and not to derivatives ?
November 29, 2020 at 17:08
It’s “possible” but no one is going to do that!
November 29, 2020 at 18:20
Ok Brit , maybe somebody should fight for this scenario: If I have a choice to give 2visas it should be better to give them to 2 applicants in place of 1 applicant + 1 derivative . Then I can save 2 families in place of 1 .
November 29, 2020 at 18:43
Again. No one is going to do that.
November 29, 2020 at 21:32
first thank you for everything I’m really appreciate your efforts
second I’m sorry I know you may already answered that but I’m not so good at English and I’m so confused
is there an announced date or period which they will issue the 9k visas yet? .. any predictions for that?
and are there any terms or qualifications required such their choices will depend on some factors like country or continent?
Thank you so much
November 29, 2020 at 22:09
No predictions on when the case will be resolved, no.
No certainties about how priority will be decided.
November 30, 2020 at 06:25
I am DV 2021 applicants, I have submitted my documents and KCC wrote me that they received my document and yet interview. Do u know when DV 2021 interview gonna start ?
November 30, 2020 at 15:16
No – we are waiting to find out.
November 30, 2020 at 07:32
I am dv2020 winner from Nepal. my case number is around 14000. what should I do?
November 30, 2020 at 15:20
Read what I write instead of asking random vague questions. That would help.
November 30, 2020 at 09:54
Hi Sir, I really have a worry. During the month of September as dv processing resumed, I called kcc to inform them abt my status. Their responses were always, “are you a named plaintiff? If yes I should contact my lawyer and he would get back to them to see my case proceed. And if am not a plaintiff, i should wait for my case number to be reached but finally they didnot reach my CN but a non named plaintiff with the same range as me received a 2NL. Both of us had received a ready for scheduling email.
1) In one of your previous replies, you mentioned that priority might be given to cases at the embassy, named plaintiffs etc. Considering my CN AF48 ***, can I have a chance for a visa?
2) Now that everybody is represented by the Gomez case, will this issue of named and non named plaintiffs still apply?
November 30, 2020 at 15:23
1. I don’t know. We are waiting to see what happens.
2. See 1.
November 30, 2020 at 10:30
Thank you so much for the info…
That’s why i like you coz you made a choice for us.
Special we here in Africa $500 is big budget.
November 30, 2020 at 15:51
Thank you very much Brit always we pray for and your family to be blessed because of your help to many people around the world with no fees
But I just want to ask that question
1:What about dv 2020 that was concelled their appointment interview
There is any chance for getting another appointment letter for interview
Thanks once again for your help we love you
November 30, 2020 at 17:11
We have to wait for the final outcome of the lawsuit. If we can get the 9095 visas issued, I think they may give priority to people such as yourself whose cases are already at the embassies.
November 30, 2020 at 17:40
Hello Mr. Brit.
The monthly visas report shows that between October and November, there are some dv visas issued despite the current ban, For example Albania and Budapest .. How can we explaine this ?
November 30, 2020 at 18:14
We don’t have the specifics obviously.
November 30, 2020 at 18:22
Are there any lawsuits for dv2021 there or is it too early yet? I heard something about Cuck/Siskind lawsuit for dv2021 winners, but haven’t seen anything on their Twitter about it.
November 30, 2020 at 19:40
They have filed a lawsuit for various scenarios including a DV2021 aspect
December 1, 2020 at 12:43
i did the court record for my 9 month old child and sent with documents to kcc ,I will like to know if it may course a problem. I just noticed that it’s for people from 16 years upward.
Thanks very much.
Have a nice day.
December 1, 2020 at 15:31
What the hell could a 9 month old have done to need a court record????
Of course this won’t cause a problem.
December 1, 2020 at 17:48
I submitted my documents as requested by KCC with my passport valid just for 4 more months.
Now I received the new passport with five years validity. Should I send to KCC with a letter explaining or should i just wait till the interview date?
I am just worried if an interview date can be scheduled by KCC when the passport they have is valid for less than 6 months.
Thanks in advance
December 1, 2020 at 20:32
So since there is plenty of time you should resend all your documents showing old and new passports.
December 3, 2020 at 20:01
Thank you very much Mr Brit
December 2, 2020 at 03:38
Hello Brit, I am a selectee for dv2021 case number AF184××. My host address, person and sponsor has changed from Virginia to Delaware Ohio. Although the previous host and address is still valid but more like to be with the new host. Please advise:
1.Do i have to update the Ds260?
2. If yes, do i do so at this time of the year or in January for fear of delays?
3. Could this impact my case if left unchanged?
December 2, 2020 at 14:56
2. The earlier the better.
3. You would have to change it at some point because the GC will be sent to the US address given.
December 3, 2020 at 07:51
Hello Simon, I was a dv2020 selectee. I didn’t submit the DS 260 since there was a trouble going on. I heard of the legal case and the 9k visas. If the judgement goes our way, is there a chance for those who didn’t already submit the DS260?
December 3, 2020 at 14:09
December 3, 2020 at 15:44
Thanks for being honest Mr, Brit Simon.
December 3, 2020 at 20:05
Hi Mr Brit,
Please I am cameroonian and a DV2021 winner currently living in Germany. I set my interview location as Germany and it seems there are no issuance of Visa in the schengen area right now. Do you think I should change my interview location to cameroon in case they start?
December 3, 2020 at 22:48
You already asked this.
December 4, 2020 at 03:10
Thanks very much sir.
God bless you
December 4, 2020 at 01:57
Has the government decided not to challenge the visas issued in September??
December 4, 2020 at 14:42
Brit ,If the final order comes out in january or february ,will the order get in power(be applied )immediately the next day so the issuance could start like when it happened on september 4th?
December 4, 2020 at 17:08
Well I doubt it would be like September, because everything worked very fast due to the deadline. The court order is unlikely to order that kind of speed, so the government will implement the order as they see fit.
December 5, 2020 at 10:37
I got my visa in September with the annotation PP10014, I would like to sign up for any lawsuit against the same, could you please advise if you know any. I believe Young vs Trump is only for families plaintiffs not a class action ?
Do you have any idea about yesterday hearing outcomes (Young vs Trump) ?
December 5, 2020 at 15:08
It doesn’t affect DV cases.
December 7, 2020 at 23:42
Greetings sir , I’m a winner of dv2020 and case afxxx68xxx.I don’t understand well .Does it mean that those of us that have not received a message from the Kcc about 2N (interview )shouldn’t ve hope in any thing or chances . right
December 8, 2020 at 03:49
I can’t be 100% certain of the outcome. No one can. All you can do is wait and see.
December 8, 2020 at 15:10
Same yours case happpend to me two time. One time 20th Jan & 23th Sept. 2020. Two times sputum culture for tb test report is negative. I also don’t know why they every time test the same test. I ask to IOM, they told CDC guide line. They are several ways to test TB, but they follow longer ways
December 8, 2020 at 16:33
December 13, 2020 at 06:25
I am in group 5 – with very low chances as I understood for getting one of those 9095 reserved visas.
On the other hand I am a named plaintiff in Curtis’s case – this gives me better chances, right?
And also – I have changed my job after locking the DS260 since I was tired of waiting for something to happen. Will this be a problem or can can prove this new circumstance directly during the interview?
Thank you so much for your patience, hard work and dedication during this really frustrating year for all of us!
December 13, 2020 at 15:19
We don’t know whether Kennedy plaintiffs will be prioritized ahead of others or not. We have to wait for the final decision.
No problem about the job change.
December 16, 2020 at 22:09
, I don’t understand any more why so much time it takes a lot of time it’s discouraging: /, finally I wish everyone a lot of patience and courage