Today, the existing travel ban has expired, would would have (perhaps) given some chance to a few DV2017 cases waiting for the travel ban to expire. However, as we know, it is now widely reported that people are being told that DV2017 visas are exhausted. I reported that in this post.
In fact, the new ban has two phases. Phase 2 is the new rules starting from October 18. Phase 1 is effectively a continuation of the first ban (apart from Sudan). So – people affected by the first ban who have now cleared AP cannot get a visa because the ban has been extended AND DV2017 visas have run out in any case. So – there is no hope for those who were waiting for the ban to be lifted in the final days of DV2017.
However, President Chump has now introduced a new ban, planned to be effective from October 18 (with a few immediate impacts).
The new ban has a slightly different list of affected countries namely Chad, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, Somalia and Yemen. So Sudan has been removed from the list of affected countries and Chad, Venezuela and North Korea added. However, the new ban does not affect all those countries in the same way. The ban on Venezuela for instance only affects certain government officials – so it is unlikely to affect many or any DV winners from that country. Other countries are more impacted however.
The precise wording of the new ban can be read here.
A good level of detail has now been provided on the travel.state.gov site here.
The implementation and details of the new ban are only just becoming available, and more information will be made available later. However, the following points are already clear:
- Green Card holders from the affected countries are not impacted.
- People with a second nationality of an unaffected country can travel on the passport of that country.
- Some waivers are available, but the details are unclear.
- The previous exemptions for a Bona fide relationship seem to have been removed from this version.
- The new ban is not for a limited period of time like the earlier ban. It will continue unless the countries involved improve their processes and co-operation, or this ban is successfully challenged.
- People inside the USA on other visa types are not affected by the ban.
So – the countries and selectees affected now look like this:
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There may be legal challenges to this ban. The arguments over the existing ban is scheduled to be considered by the Supreme Court on October 10. There will be a move to include this new ban under that case, since the effect (and intent) is largely the same. However, this new ban gives well reasoned points about why the ban is being introduced on each country. If this is how the first ban was written, it would have been less likely to have been successfully challenged. The new order focuses on security and the failings of certain countries to provide information necessary to perform security screenings. Of course, the actual intent behind this ban is clear, so hopefully the courts will find that this new ban is no more than a transparent attempt to reinvent the previous ban.
I don’t know how affected cases will be handled. KCC may allow interviews to proceed on cases affected by the new ban,. or they may cancel the interviews. I don’t know what will happen. The handling will hopefully become more clear soon. But until then, I really don’t know.
Now – people will ask about the effect of this ban on other countries in the region. DV2018, unlike DV2017 is more obviously over selected. So – people with high case numbers are already uncertain whether they will get a chance to be interviewed, and they will want to know whether this ban changes their chances in any way. The answer to that is – I don’t know. We may get more information as time goes on but we may simply have to wait and see what happens.
September 25, 2017 at 17:23
Thaks for information . Wait and see us.
September 25, 2017 at 17:58
Hi Brit, mine is somewhat unrelated to the ban. I requested KCC to unlock my form DS 260 for purposes of updating my new address and changing the interview location. They did accept this request and unlocked the form but whenever I make the changes and try to save I encounter an application error. Has anyone ever asked you about this before? What’s your view?
September 25, 2017 at 18:25
What application error? Be clear.
September 25, 2017 at 18:34
Every time I try saving the changes the page refreshes back to the log in page.
September 25, 2017 at 18:47
OK. But are you having that experience when you SUBMIT the changes??
September 26, 2017 at 22:18
Every time I tried saving or submitting the changes the system would log off without saving the amends. However, after much trying, the form worked today after which I submitted. I just hope the changes to my current address and interview location will not cause lengthy delays in the processing timelines.
Thank you Brit for your help and time. I will surely donate in support of this site for the good work you are doing.
September 26, 2017 at 19:59
Hi Mbiti..are you from Zim name sounds familiar?
September 26, 2017 at 22:20
@chando nope. Mbiti is a Kenyan name. Is it popular in Zim too?
October 10, 2017 at 20:16
Yes it is.Its a matter of Bantu languages being similar i guess.All the best in your persuit for the Dv.
September 25, 2017 at 18:20
Some people including me were notified that visa limit has reached while some of people didnot receive this message. Are we the same? Thanks
September 25, 2017 at 18:26
Man, I’m really sorry and unhappy for the north korean who was affected.
September 25, 2017 at 18:28
I wouldn’t be surprised if that selectee is already in the USA – so may not be affected anyway.
September 25, 2017 at 18:43
I am very sad for loosing my DV 2017 they west my money my time my life to travel from my country to other to make the interview after that pending for two months after that lost
September 25, 2017 at 18:47
I’m sorry you went through that.
September 25, 2017 at 18:43
Thanks for the valuable informations
Is that means that the selectee from sudan doesn’t have to provide a bona fide?
September 25, 2017 at 18:52
November 1, 2018 at 17:36
Please advise if providing bona fide still useful for DV lottery Yemenis winners
November 1, 2018 at 19:41
September 25, 2017 at 19:04
Hi Brit I´m from Venezuela I won for DV2018 as 2018SA184x, with your experience and with this ban I should get an interview.
Thanks for your information.
September 25, 2017 at 19:13
Unless you are a person affected by the ban (certain government officials or their immediate family), the ban doesn’t affect you. So – the question is about your case number. I cannot predict whether your number will be low enough to get an interview. The quota for SA region has changed slightly this year. So – all you can do is wait and see what happens.
September 25, 2017 at 19:14
This means that the presumed number of lotto visas is several less than 50,000 visas per year
September 25, 2017 at 19:16
Why does it mean that?
September 25, 2017 at 19:41
Thank you for vaubal information is a sad to hear that But I do not know the reasons for ban.Is it political or not, Chadin citizens one of the countries who least immigrants on American i hope ban stop very soon
September 25, 2017 at 19:55
There is a jihad or war being waged in the Middle East. The West, the USA included, has been the target of some of that aggression, and the American people are understandably nervous and afraid about the threat of terrorism. Many in this country believe that extremist Muslims put America under threat. In the US election campaign in 2016, Trump promised to introduce a travel ban of Muslims (that ban would be illegal under our laws), so since January Trump has been trying to implement a ban on various groups under the guise of a security ban, which, in fact, targets Muslims. Trump supporters generally like that he is doing something that he promised he would, whether the ban makes sense or not.
So yes, the ban started off being political and motivated by religious animosity. But this latest ban has wording that describes specifically why the ban is in place for each affected country. In that way it sounds “sensible” to focus on security because Americans have the right to protect themselves from threats. However, this is fruit of the same tree, even if we try and pretend it is not.
October 10, 2017 at 17:11
Hi Brit, unfortunately you repeat the same info which mainstream media portraits. There’s no such thing as Jihad war (as the word Jihad is always used incorrectly), and the only reason for all the wars and aggression in the Middle East is the West’s (US and Europe included) greed and hunger for hydrocarbon resources and strategic international waterways. That’s pretty much it.
As for the reasons of the travel ban, it’s only because Trump is trying to fulfill his silly campaign promises one way or another, because looking at the ban from a legal perspective, the proclamation contradicts itself and doesn’t follow its own instructions as it should. You can refer to this following page for more details:
I also want to say that you’re doing a great job with this website, and wish you continued success in helping others around the world.
October 10, 2017 at 19:16
If you read what I said I did not use the word Jihad incorrectly. I said “jihad or war”. There are most certainly actors in the region that are attacking unbelievers, motivated by their desire for a Muslim domination. There are many there who are fighting to liberate their countries, or perhaps in anger at the establishment of Israel on Arab lands. That would be understandable, in my opinion, not right, but understandable. But to simplify the whole Middle East down to “greed and hunger for hydrocarbon resources and strategic international waterways” is not accurate. If that were true you could, presumably, point to a point in time of extensive peace in that region, prior to the exploitation of “hydrocarbon resources and strategic international waterways”. You can’t, so your point falls apart straight away. If religion were somehow removed overnight (and I would rejoice if it were) then there would be a sudden cessation of aggression. It truly is about religion, not oil. If it were just oil/shipping, people would do business. But the troubles in the region are complex, not simplistic.
However, if you read my article above, and other articles I have published, I have already pointed out that the ban was implemented for political point scoring, not logical reasoning. So thanks for the Cato link – but it isn’t new news to me.
September 25, 2017 at 20:36
Hello I hope you best then how how about bona fide is it affected the ban
September 25, 2017 at 20:42
I don’t think a bona fide relationship will help under this new wording.
September 25, 2017 at 20:41
I mean earlier huwai court expanded bona fide adding grandmother aunts uncles is that all affected by the or safe plz make understand I’m worry
September 25, 2017 at 20:50
What about dv2018 winners and the ban
September 25, 2017 at 21:04
That is exactly what the article above describes. Please read it.
September 25, 2017 at 21:07
Many thanks for your efforts
With all respect to the travel ban and their concern and fear from some jihadi from the middle East from the countries included in the travel ban, and with respect to all religions, why the travel ban doest not concider exceptions for winner’s who are Christians ?
September 25, 2017 at 21:15
The previous ban did that – but that exception would actually be one further proof that this ban is *intended* to be against one people of religion which is a position specifically against our laws.
September 25, 2017 at 21:26
Dear Brit thank you for your regular help i want to understand more about the statement Some waivers are available what do they mean , can you explain it please ?
September 25, 2017 at 21:37
As I said, the details are unclear. You can read the law itself – or wait to see if more details become clear.
September 25, 2017 at 21:54
Hi brit, more blessings to u.
My wife is a winner of DV 2017. We fill our DS 260 form with our two kids, 4 and half and 11 months year boys. The counsular officer asked as a DNA test and we did that. The issued to my wife and z two kids a visa on zmonth of julay. This is because , my medical result is delayed. And finally I submit my neat medical result on september 8. Today, sep 25, they told us because the visa limit excceds for z FY they donot issue my visa.
Dear brit I have three questios for u-
1. What can my wife will do in z US to arrange for my visa?
2. How long.z.process will take?
3. Because she will process for me, is that advisable to particpate in DV 2019 Lottery at my home land.in z next few days?
Thanks in advance!
September 25, 2017 at 22:14
1. Once she is in the USA she can file an I-130 family based sponsorship case.
2. Around 2 years
3. Yes. If you won DV2019 it might be faster and would be less expensive.
September 25, 2017 at 22:19
I’m happy to read Sudan, has been removed from the ban list, thanks Mr. Brit for gives us hopes all the time, stay well and best of regards
September 25, 2017 at 22:32
Thank u brit for ur valuabe and precise response for my questions!!
September 25, 2017 at 22:40
How can she work and live having two kids alonealone? Does the US law has any thing in this regard?
September 25, 2017 at 22:44
It will be hard. Maybe impossible – childcare is expensive. You will need to plan about that before she goes. US law doesn’t offer help with that.
September 26, 2017 at 00:20
Dear Mr Simon.Thanks for the clarification.
September 26, 2017 at 01:18
The DOS has some clarification of the way they plan to address this vis-a-vis DVs:
September 26, 2017 at 02:50
Yup seen it – thanks.
September 26, 2017 at 03:04
Dear MR Simon
i have an Enquiry about my case .. i want to apply in DV lottary 2019 but there is a problem .. i was born in libya and i do not carry the Libyan nationality and i’m Egyptian citizen and only i have the Egyptian nationality. i’m living in Egypt and also all my parents ,my wife are Egyptian nationality and were born in Egypt .
the question is : can i apply in the new DV lottary 2019 ? while in the application form they asking only about birth place not the nationality
or should i answer the question number 6 in the form and select Egypt as eligible country ?!
Kindly i need your support to answer me & many thanks to you .
September 26, 2017 at 03:36
You can apply for DV2019, no one knows whether the ban will be in place by the time DV2019 cases are being processed. As you are a national of Egypt, the current ban terms do not affect you. Due to the rules of elective cross charging you “could” choose to charge to your wife’s country of birth BUT doing so would reduce your chance of selection.
September 26, 2017 at 15:26
when applying in DV2019 next month . how will they know that i’m a national of Egypt not Libya ?
in the form they ask only about Birth Country not Nationality !!
how to tell them just i was born only there !
also in DV2019 instructions LIBYA still ELIGIBLE country !! so could i choose to charge to my wife’s country ? and why doing that reduce my chance ?
i don’t know what to do so thanks to answer me
September 26, 2017 at 16:09
People from Libya and other countries will still be picked as selectees – the ban won’t affect the chances of selection. I told you what your choices are, but the article explains a little better.
September 26, 2017 at 05:28
Greetings Mr simon,
please my question..
1) My brother change his address because he bought a house, now my first address which i included in ds 260 carries the old house he was renting and now the doctor who have to examine me needs his address, should i continue with the old one or i use the new address as from now onward?
September 26, 2017 at 06:08
You can decide for yourself.
September 26, 2017 at 08:19
HI SIR I am libyan and i have turkish passport they selected me in dv program can i use my turkish passport ?
September 26, 2017 at 11:56
That is clear from the article above – right?
September 26, 2017 at 12:17
Does that means that there will be more visa numbers granted to nepal…as iran is in the list?
September 26, 2017 at 12:23
No. Nepal already has more than enough selectees to hit the country limit of 3500 visas – so nothing can add to that number.
September 26, 2017 at 12:28
How many selectees are there in nepal compared to of asia…I mean if 5000 total selectees of asia .. Does nepal selectees cover 50 percent of it?
September 26, 2017 at 12:48
what your opinion about dv 2019 I’m from effected country can apply for dv 2019 or not
September 26, 2017 at 13:08
Dear MR . SIMON,
I am libyan and i have been selected in dv program as libyan
can i use my turkish passport to get the visa at the interview ?
does the article above include me in this case ?
will they send me a message for the appointment ?
September 26, 2017 at 13:22
For the second time. The above article answers your question! It says:
“2.People with a second nationality of an unaffected country can travel on the passport of that country.”
September 26, 2017 at 13:17
how about people who already interviewed with AP and affected by the travel ban ?
September 26, 2017 at 13:26
The ban has two phases. Phase 2 is the new rules starting from October 18. Phase 1 is effectively a continuation of the first ban apart from Sudan. So – people affected by the first ban who have now cleared AP cannot get a visa because the ban has been extended AND DV2017 visas have run out in any case. So – there is no hope for those who were waiting for the ban to be lifted in the final days of DV2017.
September 26, 2017 at 13:46
your help and clarifications are really appreciated
September 26, 2017 at 14:42
Good morning friend
I am Venezuelan and currently work in a government organization, which was named in the new decree of President Trump, my job is administrative and not political, you believe that I can participate in the DV2019 or will be rejected
September 26, 2017 at 16:01
Anyone can participate – it’s a random lottery. IF you are selected you might have a problem to process your case BUT no processing will happen on DV2019 until October 2018 – so there is a lot that can happen to this ban between now and then.
September 26, 2017 at 15:47
Hi Simon, My husband is a US citizen, we live in Libya, we were going to apply for i-130 for me and my 5 year kid, Can we still petition for after the pan,and how long it takes for wife and kid? Thanks alot
September 26, 2017 at 16:13
I only answer questions about DV lottery
September 26, 2017 at 18:04
I am DV 2018 winner, I live in Republic of Djibouti
I am from somalia and I was living in Djibouti since I was 10 until now (I am 23) I have high school diploma and I finished my first university year successfully .
Read the following quoted from the P.P
“An individual who wishes to apply for an immigrant visa should apply for a visa and disclose during the visa interview any information that might demonstrate that he or she is eligible for an exception or waiver per the P.P. A consular officer will carefully review each case to determine whether the applicant is affected by the P.P. and, if so, whether the case qualifies for an exception or a waiver”
As you know they only to check the background and see the police clearance if you stayed in a country for more than 6 months after turning 16 years old.
When I attend the interview, will it help if I tell that I can be excepted because I lived in Djibouti most of my life and I have documents to proof that( passport that indicates the entry date of Djibouti, all my schooling transcripts from 1st grade to 12th grade+ 1 year university transcript) and they don’t need to check with Somali government. And they can contact Djibouti government for screening and vetting?
September 26, 2017 at 19:24
Just because you lived in another country does not exempt you from the ban.
September 26, 2017 at 20:01
So do I have chance to be waived or not? I am worried!
September 26, 2017 at 20:03
I don’t see any reason to think you could get a waiver.
September 26, 2017 at 20:45
Don’t you think it is reason that I am not posing threat to US and I no criminal record in Djibouti?
September 26, 2017 at 21:25
That doesn’t make any difference. I have given you my answer.
September 26, 2017 at 19:02
Running this blog requires a lot of passion, time, efforts, reading, connectivity on the go and maybe even money at times. You also keep yourself abreast with all the latest information from various sources. Apart from the prayers and love you get, I really hope this also helps you pay your bills.
September 26, 2017 at 19:32
Hahaha!! Thanks for the support – but NO, this does not ever pay my bills. But I am a former DV lottery beneficiary – and happy to “give back” a little.
September 26, 2017 at 19:56
Grate Mr Simon. Really appreciate your support.
September 26, 2017 at 20:10
I can never be thankful enough Brit Simon!Ts been almost a year since i have settled in the US with my family.Just out the interest your website sparks,i usually check in to see your posts and the comments section and just look back and give a huge sigh of relief.To all the Dv aspirants,just hang in there and don’t lose hope.You can also trust Brit Simon’s analysis and posts.He is a genius and willing to help always.
September 26, 2017 at 21:26
September 26, 2017 at 21:48
Help Mr brit I read dv selectee that says nations from countries of Yemen ,somalia, Libya, Iran and serial are suspended unless they have bona fide or close relations so can I proceed or have chance if I’m from those contries
September 27, 2017 at 00:06
For DV2018 the phase 2 of the ban cannot be overcome by bona fide relations. This is fully explained above. PLEASE read it.
September 27, 2017 at 02:40
Thanks sir for always keeping up with everything about DV lottery!
What does this mean? Or could you explain further?
“Diversity visa applicants will need to demonstrate a qualifying relationship or qualify for a waiver since a relationship with a person or entity in the United States is not required for such visas.”
September 27, 2017 at 03:34
That relates to bona fide relationships. Since that provision ends on October 18, it is not worth worrying about it.
September 27, 2017 at 04:51
Thanks mr.brit Do you mean that there is no bona fide relationships will be considered
September 27, 2017 at 05:06
Thanks mr.brit for your support so again i have one more question If the person from somalia who submitted his/her ds260 early June and have bona fide relationship in the United states do they have chance to proceed dvlotterry or they are not allow according to the new ban as your experience I confused that plz make me understand
September 27, 2017 at 05:09
Like I said, the new ban cannot be overcome with the bona fide relationship.
September 27, 2017 at 05:33
Would you please explain what does this mean? Does it mean for DV lottery selectees if your parents are permanent residents or American citizens you might have a chance in getting the visa?
(D) the foreign national seeks to enter the United States to visit or reside with a close family member (e.g., a spouse, child, or parent) who is a United States citizen, lawful permanent resident, or alien lawfully admitted on a valid nonimmigrant visa, and the denial of entry would cause the foreign national undue hardship;
September 27, 2017 at 05:40
Probably no help to a DV case. But time will tell.
September 27, 2017 at 08:11
For Asia Region, Syria,Yemen,North Korea and Iran are not eligible for diversity visa for this year.
1. is there more opportunities to get visa for Asia Region.
2. Nepal have more chance to get visa?
3. All Asia Region will have more chance to get visa?
4. How many percent of visa will get Asia region each year?
5. Please give me ur opinion.
Have a nice day!
September 27, 2017 at 12:14
September 27, 2017 at 08:20
As Asia Regions such as Iran,Yemen,North Korea and Syria are not eligible for dv visa this year.
So Asia Region higher case numbers will have more chance to get visa?
Except from these four countries,other asia region countries will have more chance to get visa ?
please give me ur thoughts and ideas
May Allah Bless You***
September 27, 2017 at 12:14
September 27, 2017 at 09:53
Hi Brit Can you give an example of those high cases number? And what do you mean high cases numbers might not be interview?
September 27, 2017 at 11:32
September 28, 2017 at 00:21
I know it can’t be said for sure. I am from Nepal (case # 2018AS000019** < 1950). Do you think that my case number can be current for December? Due to some circumstances, I will have to change from AOS to CP if my number does not show up in next month’s VB.
September 28, 2017 at 00:55
You will know for sure in about 2 weeks.
September 30, 2017 at 20:39
good evening mr simon, i hve read in your article that the bone fida relationship in the new rule had been removed which will start on octobar 18 but my interview is on octobar 10 , can i have chance to be given visa since i have a cousin in the united state. please help me , i have travelled to here by spending much money .
September 30, 2017 at 20:45
Yes you can. But you must try to prepare fully to avoid AP. Make sure you have all the documents they might want. Fir the relationship with your cousin, take proof of the relationship (birth certs). Prepare well. If you avoid AP, you have a chance.
October 12, 2017 at 03:37
I am a 2018 selectee from Iran with a case number 14xx. I believe my case number will be current in December. According to the ban-3, the waver is applicable for those Iranian that have Canadian permanent residence card (provided that they go for interview inside the Canada). I am in the middle of the procedure to get Canadian PR. Since I am living in Kuala Lumpur , Malaysia, I would like to have your advice whether to unlock my DS-260 and postpone my interview to the time that I got my Canadian PR or I go to interview at December which most probably I will be rejected due to travel ban-3. If I get reject in December from Kuala Lumpur and I get Canadian PR at March-2019 is it possible to apply for another interview inside the Canada?
Thank you dear Brit, I hope that you have some opinion about this.
October 12, 2017 at 04:13
You have to make a choice. There is no one with experience of this. It’s all new.