As many of you will know, there have been 3 versions of the travel ban. There have been various blocks placed on each of the travel bans, and it is quite difficult to keep up with the current status. So – I thought a recap of the current state would be helpful. However, this is almost more confusing than I can explain, so I have been avoiding an update for the last couple of weeks.
Travel ban 3.0 was introduced in September. It was timed and designed to pick up where Travel Ban 2.0 left off, but by re-crafting the ban wording, trumps’ administration sought to represent this ban as something new. This was a clear attempt to halt the various blocks that were heading to the supreme court. Travel Ban 3.0 was worded well – and, at least on the face of it, laid out a credible argument why certain countries were being singled out for the ban – making the case the ban was about the security of the USA. In reality this was a thinly disguised version of the anti Muslim sentiments Trump had laid out during the Presidential campaign. The bans have each been more about that than any sensible reasoning.
However, Travel Ban 3.0 was about to go in to full force on October 17th when a federal judge in Hawaii blocked the ban again. From October 17 to November 13, there was, in effect, no ban at all. Then on November 13 the administration achieved a partial victory when an appeal court suspended the effect of the Hawaii ruling, effectively re-instating the ban EXCEPT where people can prove a oa fide relationship (something that was part of Travel Ban 2.0, not Travel Ban 3.0).
So – in simple terms DV lottery winners from (“nationals of”) the affected countries (Chad, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen) are banned unless they have dual citizenship with a non banned country OR can prove they have a bona fide relationship with a US resident. This is pretty well described in the official State Department statement which can be seen here. The way in which the relationship is not described, but the statement does say the relationship must be “formal, documented, and formed in the ordinary course rather than for the purpose of evading suspension of entry”. So I expect anyone trying to argue they have such a relationship to have to prove that relationship with birth certificates, and other official and non official documentation. It won’t be simple.
The article also defines what is meant by the person with whom the relationship must exist. The article says that a “Person” is defined as a parent, including parent-in-law, spouse, fiancé, child, adult son or daughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, sibling, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, grandparent, grandchild, aunt, uncle, niece, nephew, and first-cousin. For all relationships, half or step status is included (e.g., “half-brother” or “step-sister”).
There are hearings scheduled in early December to re-open arguments about the ban and attempt to block it. Trump has today re-demonstrated his staggering clumsy idiotic stupidity by retweeting anti Muslim propaganda from a far right organization in the UK. This will certainly be ammunition against his ban because the argument against the ban is that the ban is about religious animus toward people of the Muslim faith, as opposed to legitimate and sensible attempts to make the USA more secure/safe. Only a complete idiot would provide further evidence of that animus just days ahead of the hearings. Trump is indeed that complete idiot.
So the case heads back to court next week – but I don’t know how long the next phase will take or what the outcome will be.
Impact on DV2018
This is difficult/impossible to guess. This is all new and I am not comfortable making guesses about what the ban will mean if allowed to continue. PLEASE understand I really don’t know what is going to happen about the ban itself OR the impact on DV2018 or future lotteries. As frustrating as it is to hear (and to write), “wait and see” is the only sensible thing I should write. No one can predict the outcome. Someone that says they can, is ignorant of the complexities involved. So – now, more than ever, if you are affected by this ban, please be patient and let the court cases play out. Hopefully this will be resolved soon.
November 30, 2017 at 02:49
Thanks for the explanation Mr SImon.
November 30, 2017 at 05:09
Thanks for the information Brit
November 30, 2017 at 06:01
OK Brit thanks for the update,hahahah you call Trump a complete idiot! If it was in Cameroon you called Paul Biya a complete idiot? The next two hours you live no more
November 30, 2017 at 16:13
Yes, that may be true about Cameroon – but here we are free to speak the truth.
November 30, 2017 at 06:16
In Cameroon there is no freedom of speech right
November 30, 2017 at 06:47
Especially for the English speaking Cameroonians
November 30, 2017 at 06:22
Hopefully everything will turn out well.
Thanks for your comments
November 30, 2017 at 07:01
OMG….thanks so much for you explaination . I wish everything will return good
November 30, 2017 at 12:20
hi brit i m from nepal and stay in india for four years for study and i got my police report from indian embassey but in my police certificate adress instead of haripurwa they had written hariburba will that affect me in interview
2)or i have to make another police certificate
November 30, 2017 at 15:05
Shouldn’t be a problem.
November 30, 2017 at 16:41
I am from Iran ! Took part in this year lottery ! No bona fida in USA ! If I am selected , I do not take any action ?! It is supposed that I have a bf in USA . He is us citizen , will fiancé visa be issued for me ?! I mean not merriage visa , just by fiancé. Visa ! Please help me ! So worried !
November 30, 2017 at 18:40
My wife is the winner and she has no relatives
My uncle is in America
Is the winner required to have a relationship or any of the spouses
November 30, 2017 at 20:16
That would be your wife’s “uncle in law” – so I do not think that relationship can be used.
November 30, 2017 at 21:17
You have said that …I realy don’t know what is going to happen about the ban itself or the impact on DV2018 or future lotteries …Does this mean the travel ban 3.0 may affect all dv2018 winners or only winners from the specified six countries?
November 30, 2017 at 21:24
Some speculate that since the ban negatively impacts certain countries, there would be more visas for people from other countries. Like I said – I think it is too soon to know that impact.
November 30, 2017 at 21:46
Q1:may it happen that egypt enter this ban and all egyptians winners miss their chance this year(dv2018)???
Q2: OR egypt is away from this and if it happen that there is no impact to dv2018??
November 30, 2017 at 22:19
1. Aliens may land dressed like Elvis Presley, but I am not going to speculate about the impacts of that either.
December 1, 2017 at 07:13
Thanks for the information.
December 1, 2017 at 19:45
Please sir, like Ahmed above, I am the winner but I don’t have anybody in the USA but my wife’s cousin is a green card holder there. He will be the one to receive and host us.
Is that OK sir, is the relationship OK?
December 1, 2017 at 21:22
That would not meet the requirement for a bona fide relationship.
December 1, 2017 at 22:29
Does it mean we will be disqualified sir, what can I do?
December 1, 2017 at 22:40
If you are a national of one of the affected countries, and don’t have dual citizenship, then you cannot be approved while the travel ban is in force. All you can do is wait and hope the ban is lifted.
December 1, 2017 at 23:53
No!!! Sorry I forgot to mention, Sir. We are not nationals of any of the banned countries. Does it mean our case is OK?
December 2, 2017 at 01:13
Then it has NOTHING to do with you…
December 2, 2017 at 01:00
Heads up Brit. I’ve donated 10$ after reading this.
December 2, 2017 at 01:11
Thanks for the support!
December 7, 2017 at 07:51
Hi Brit , i would love to donate too I do love the marvelous job you’re doing you deserve more than that pls direct me on how to donate too as well
December 7, 2017 at 14:52
December 2, 2017 at 08:14
which countries peoples ill loss there chance for dv 2018 ?
December 2, 2017 at 16:16
Read the article.
December 2, 2017 at 14:51
#Britsmon,thank you for your information This have impact to Ethiopian Muslims.?
December 2, 2017 at 15:51
The affected countries are listed above.
December 3, 2017 at 03:19
Mr simon, If I won the DV 2019 and my little sister has the GreenCard, can I enter the interview?
December 3, 2017 at 04:14
December 3, 2017 at 07:42
Thanks Simon for your enthusiasm to support the community. Keep up the good work.
December 5, 2017 at 07:30
hello mr brit ihave one question is the trave affects people who have bona fide relationships
December 5, 2017 at 14:53
December 5, 2017 at 22:34
Thanks for your help.
I’m from Syria and I have few questions:
1- what documents do I need to provide to prove that I don’t form threat to US knowing that I’ve been in UAE for 12 years and I’ve had b2 twice, I’ve been in the US before, I’m publicly known tech entrepreneur in MENA and my degree is American too
2- do I still need to prove bona fide; I have plenty of cousins and an uncle. If yes, do you think passports will be sufficient with my birth certificate to prove my relation knowing that they already know about my cousins and uncle because theyve asked me about them before in interviews to double check if they still in US.
3- would they usually put me on AP till there is final decision on ban or it will be like an automatic refusal with zero chance knowing that my interview is in Jan, and I’m asking in case the decision has not changed till then.
4- would a month and half old bank statement be ok to prove my funds or should it be quite recent?
5- would receipts of gold bars be enough proof of their value because I assume only the gold with funds from the statement would prove enough money for family of 3
6- just in case, I’ll ask my uncle for I-365 form. About this, Does my uncle only need to fill this form and attest it maybe then send it over email then I’ll show them the printout or is there wrong about this
7- do you recommend to prepare to prove more than one bona fide if the answer to number 2 is yes
I apologize for the too many questions; it’s just that I’m too worried.
On other hand, I deeply thank you for your great work and if you need any help in your website or anything related to digital including marketing, it’ll be my big pleasure to help
December 5, 2017 at 22:52
1. I don’t have a specific list. Overprepare by all means, but chances are they won’t look at what you have. Your previous B1/B2 experiences or profile won’t help.
2. Right now the bona fide relationship relief doesn’t exist.
3. Probably AP – but I am not certain.
4. Provide the most recent to avoid the risk.
5. I don’t know whether that will be considered proof of liquid funds.
6. I don’t know anything about an I-365 form.
7. It was no.
December 5, 2017 at 23:39
Thanks brit, regarding number 6, I typed the form number wrongly; I meant I-134 the affadivit of support
December 6, 2017 at 00:35
OK – then email is supposedly “OK” (the rules recently changed). Mail is safer.
May 20, 2018 at 11:48
i’m from syria too and i have some similarities with your case. would it be ok if i share my email so we can share experience?
appriciate it, and thanks to Simon 🙂
December 6, 2017 at 20:27
I am one of the winners in Al-Lutri and I am from Libya and the brother of my wife is an American citizen for 20 years
Could it help me with the immigration visa?
All my respect for you
December 6, 2017 at 20:48
No. The bona fide relationship exception has been removed.
December 7, 2017 at 08:05
Hi Brit any update as regard the travel ban decision??
December 7, 2017 at 14:49
The ban is in full force and the bona fide exception is removed.
December 8, 2017 at 06:00
Hi Brit, if I have a vlid visa to US, will it be revoked as part of the latest ruling?
December 8, 2017 at 06:17
December 8, 2017 at 07:33
What about if my wife is those effected countries is that means I can’t bring her in the state
December 8, 2017 at 15:25
December 9, 2017 at 08:26
Hi Dear Brit.
About the court accepted the ban.
They said “Canadian Resident” are exclude.
I’m permanent resident and my husband is citizen in Canada and he is the main applicant.
PR is okay or only Canadian citizen?
Thanks for you help
December 9, 2017 at 14:41
December 11, 2017 at 16:28
My interview was scheduled in January 31, 2018 in Djibouti. I am from Yemen and the latest ban being enforced fully will most likely impact my case. Therefore i am not sure whether i should proceed and go to Djibouti no matter how costly and risky it is to attend the interview or just waste such a chance because the ban is absolutely inevitable. I would like to know if there is any option or exception other than waiver claim. Unfortunately, this is my only chance and the only hope i have got for getting out of this perpetual war zone country..
December 11, 2017 at 17:08
I don’t know the specifics about yours or any other case. So – I can only make the information available and people need to make their own judgement. However, you have not mentioned anything that might be used to gain a waiver – and those waivers must be very unlikely.
December 14, 2017 at 07:06
Are you DV lottery winner?
December 14, 2017 at 07:11
Simon, thanks for your support and your time.
December 14, 2017 at 09:15
I am also DV lottery winner who is affected by the travel ban
Email me personally so we can exchange info
December 14, 2017 at 10:18
Please appreciate that Mr Simon is doing us a favor for the benefit of all for free.
December 14, 2017 at 13:29
Noted, check your inbox, Abdi
December 14, 2017 at 13:36
Kaled, absolutely we do appreciate his tremendous efforts, support and of course his tolerance..
Simon, i hope i can return your favor one day.. keep it up
May 24, 2018 at 09:55
Hello, I have send you an email. Please check your inbox. Thank you.
December 12, 2017 at 19:17
Got a worry and wish to seak ur opinion on it;
Looking at the denying rate of 2017 dv in the African region with only countries like Egypt, DRC and Ethiopia going above 2000 visas…
1. Do u forsee that repeating this year?
2. Has ur safe number of 2018 AF45xxx for Africa change?
3. Can one with case umber 2018 AF 48xxx starts hoping, considering that over six countries have been banned by Trump’s administration?
NB: sorry pls, I’m in no way rejoicing over the demise of those from the banned countries. Just a worry. Thanks
December 12, 2017 at 20:56
1. Yes of course.
3. My “safe” range didn’t mean numbers above that had NO chance – just that there was *some* risk.
December 13, 2017 at 01:28
I am winner of dv lottery 2018 my nationality is syrian but i was born in saudi arabia so my country of chargeability is saudi arabia.
Is the ban affect me ?
December 13, 2017 at 05:28
December 14, 2017 at 07:09
Foreigns who are born in Saudi Arabia don’t usually get Saudi citizenship, so if you don’t have saudi citizenship you will affected
December 14, 2017 at 14:23
The lottery is based on place of birth, not citizenship.
May 24, 2018 at 10:09
Hi, I was also born in Saudi Arabia and from one of the banned countries, could you please share your experience? What happened to your visa? And how the interview went?
December 13, 2017 at 04:54
I got one question to clear my doubt, as ban 3.0 went in to full force and these 6 countries banned from the immigration program, does it mean,the processing will done faster, and give the opportunity for high case Numbers to have interview earlier than the time they expect or the process will normally go simultaneously??thanks
December 13, 2017 at 05:32
The ban could change so I am not predicting what will happen when the situation is so volatile.
December 13, 2017 at 17:37
I have a valid visa (greencard visa) for US, should I be scared for this Trump saying that he will end the lottery and chain migration? Am I safe or not? i will travel in US in february, what if he decide (and the senate of course) that dv visas applicants arent allowed to enter united states? Will I fail to enter US?
December 13, 2017 at 18:03
You have no reason to fear.
December 13, 2017 at 18:07
Thanks Simon. You gave me a bit of hope! So you think whenever I travel to USA (feb, march) I will be safe to enter and become a greencard holder, right ?
December 13, 2017 at 18:11
My answer was clear.
December 13, 2017 at 21:13
This sounds scary. What do you think ?
“every single Democrat in the U.S. Senate — including Chuck Schumer, its original architect — voted to end the lottery as part of a broader immigration reform package.”
December 13, 2017 at 22:35
I think it’s not worth speculating on things that haven’t happened.
December 13, 2017 at 23:10
This fake peace of thing was created by an old grey-headed, delusional greedy fellow sitting in his or her dungeon somewhere and that is why he/she has chosen to ignore the many success stories from this program
December 13, 2017 at 23:32
December 16, 2017 at 08:49
Im a syrian citizen married to a US citizen.
My case got into the NVC on december 11 .. what do you think i should do, should i continue and go with the waiver (exception)type of case?
What do you think is going to happen?
December 16, 2017 at 16:13
I only answer DV lottery questions.
December 19, 2017 at 09:04
I won DV and I’m Iranian.
I’m permanent resident in Canada.
1- Does effect my case by new Ban or not?
And my number is around AS6100.
2- When you think is my interview and
3-my number is in risk position?
December 19, 2017 at 15:36
1. Yes, at this time.
2. I don’t know
December 19, 2017 at 18:28
They said Canadian Resident are excluded.
Am I part of Canadian resident or only Canadian Citizen are excluded?
December 19, 2017 at 20:06
The travel ban still affects you, but you might be able to get a waiver. This extract is from their webpage.
“Are there special rules for permanent residents of Canada?
Waivers may not be granted categorically to any group of nationals of the eight countries who are subject to visa restrictions pursuant to the Proclamation, but waivers may be appropriate in individual circumstances, on a case-by-case basis. The Proclamation lists several circumstances in which case-by-case waivers may be appropriate. That list includes foreign nationals who are Canadian permanent residents who apply for visas at a U.S. consular section in Canada. Canadian permanent residents should bring proof of their status to a consular officer.
A consular officer will carefully review each case to determine whether the applicant is affected by the Proclamation during each phase of the implementation and, if so, whether the applicant qualifies for an exception or a waiver.”
December 21, 2017 at 09:38
I know this question has been asked before and I’m sorry for sounding annoying, but in the light of Trump’s latest comments on the DV lottery, do you think his future (sound “imminent”) decisions will affect the 2018 program? I already have the visa and was planning to make the big move on January, but with all the rhetoric taking place lately, I’m growing more worried, do you think my concerns are founded?
December 21, 2017 at 09:52
As Brit said countless times before, you have no reason to worry given your current situation. Overall, the DV 2018 program can’t be affected in any way because that is in the wording of the bill itself-if it were to become law, but it even lacks republican support (proposed by trump administration in February 2017,making no progress since then). Just to make it clear again, there is NO EFFECT ON DV2018.
December 21, 2017 at 11:33
Actually, I’m not worried about the RAISE act. What’s more concerning to me is the possibility that Trump may issue one of those “executive orders” temporarily halting the program! I’m not familiar with the way U.S policies work, but I’m worried that is still a possibility!
December 21, 2017 at 11:57
It’s not possible because if it was he would have done it many many months ago. It’s a law that can be stopped only through passing senate and house.
December 21, 2017 at 19:44
I have made this very clear many, many times. If you are determined to ignore all that and worry anyway – I suppose you must just enjoy worrying.
December 26, 2017 at 16:34
I had had a approved case after interview of the councillor but i am under AP because i am one of the banned counters(somali)
1.Can i say after the interview i have un other national citizenship and?
2.how i can say have un other national citizenship?
December 27, 2017 at 01:54
You either do or you don’t have another citizenship! If you do you can OBVIOUSLY tell them.
December 28, 2017 at 19:11
do i tell them by email or other way.
Would you tell me how i can tell them
December 28, 2017 at 19:51
Just contact the embassy – try any method – email, phone, personal visit, carrier Pidgeon. Whatever works.
December 31, 2017 at 10:33
am Somali too , Dv2018 winner. waiting my interview Can you please contact [email protected]
January 4, 2018 at 21:53
I have got the immigrant visa but I didn’t travel yet.
My question is can I travel to USA and stay their for 3 days then go out from USA or I should wait to receive my green card?
I mean if I travel out of USA, my green card will be send to the specified address or it will be cancled.
Note: Im from Syria
January 4, 2018 at 22:19
You can leave immediately – it doesn’t affect your GC.
January 4, 2018 at 23:17
But I must enter to USA right.
My GC will not be send to the address if I not enter to USA
Is it correct?
January 4, 2018 at 23:51
January 7, 2018 at 07:43
hi simon, thank u a lot for the marvelous work you have for the community, i am thanking u in personal
because your help was really lucrative for me when i was processing my dv case one year back, now, i have been in state for one year, i have a question what if someone from the banned countries is selected for 2019 and he/ she has close relatives in the US like aunt, cousin? if all the thinks about the ban remain UN-changed will that person be considered or have a opportunity because of those relatives?
sorry for the typing errors of my first comment
January 7, 2018 at 16:48
For some time the courts forced an exception for close relations in the US. However, right now, that exception does not exist. THe ban ignores relationships. But – DV2019 is a long time away.
May 19, 2018 at 22:10
Hi Simon, i got 2019AS7xxx and i was born in syria
1- is there still no exceptions for DV2019?
2- is my number at risk?
3- shall i wait to submit DS260?
thanks a million for your help
May 20, 2018 at 08:35
1. EXceptions for what?
3. Up to you.
May 20, 2018 at 11:11
Exceptions for close relations in the US, and is a cousin relation considered?
thank you again
May 20, 2018 at 15:46
No exceptions other than dual citizenship or already being in the USA
May 24, 2018 at 10:04
My name is Arwa from Yemen. I’m a Dv winner this year. If you could please share your experience and what happened next. I’m exactly in your shoes this year. Thanking you in advance.
May 24, 2018 at 15:00
The worst experience ever. I am going to post my whole experience in details soon in this forum. Long story short, dont do it unless the travel ban is lifted, otherwise it is a waste of time, energy and money. If you need any further info, you can contact me on [email protected]
May 24, 2018 at 15:59
I don’t understand why you proceeded to interview!
>> I told you in December you did not have grounds for a waiver as far as I could tell.
>> By email on February 28 I said that attending the interview “will be a waste of your time and money UNLESS you have dual citizenships.”.
>> On March 1st I asked you again by email what grounds you hade to gain a waiver. You ignored that last email.
I’m sorry you went through a bad experience, but I honestly don’t understand why you chose to ignore my advice. I was completely clear with you and my current advice is that people affected by the ban should not attend their interview while the ban is in force.
May 24, 2018 at 16:28
Simon, i wish i could have listened to your advice. You did your best not only for me but for all people seeking advice and info either here or outside this forum. I cant thank you more.
Simon, the decion was taken on the bases of presumption, hope and great expectations but not with facts.
When i decided to go to Djibouti, i thought i really needed to get out of Yemen by any way possible. I thought it wouldn’t be any worse than staying in this war zone country. I was totally wrong when I thought that waivers could be given to those who would have hardship going back to their own countries. In fact it was a total hardship and we barely made it back safely to here though. I just saw it clearly right then and there when the counselor told me that waivers wont be granted to dvlottery winners.
May 24, 2018 at 16:35
Yes, the waivers are not based on desire, or even hardship in terms of personal safety in returning to your country. As the CO said – waivers will be almost impossible for DV winners.
Do write your experience if you can – it might help someone else in the same position.
Best of luck!
May 24, 2018 at 16:42
I will do that as soon as possible.
June 23, 2018 at 18:32
So, what will they do with the 5700 approx visas won from Iran and Yemen? Will they go wasted? Or a second lottery was made to replace?
June 23, 2018 at 19:10
It’s not 5700, but unused visas from one region can be redistributed to other regions.
June 27, 2018 at 17:16
Why not redistribute in AS region itself? May be in 2018. In 2019 they might select more from AS
June 27, 2018 at 17:18
I don’t understand what you mean
July 3, 2018 at 07:33
Hello every body
i am a winner of a DV 2019 my case number 2300
I am from Yemen
what should i do ?
July 3, 2018 at 14:44
Right now you are banned (unless you have a dual citizenship). So – there is nothing you can do.
July 16, 2018 at 00:37
My brother won the recent Dv lottery for US. He and his wife are in Iran right now with no relative in US. But they have some relatives living in Canada and Europe. They have submitted their docs to the embassy and still waiting for the interview email. What kind of suggestion can you make for them?
Thanks for your reply
July 16, 2018 at 00:54
Don’t waste money on the interview. There is no chance of success.
May 6, 2019 at 13:02
Dear Mehdi ,
Did your brother get the visa ?
i hope to hear from you
September 6, 2019 at 14:38
I won 2020 DV, I am syrian and born in syria. My interview scheduled in october 2019. But I have a first-cousin who is U.S citizen.
Can I apply for a waiver in the interview??
I don’t understand what you mean by “the relationship must be in the ordinary course rather than for the purpose of evading suspension of entry”
And how can I prove this state in the interview in order to have a waiver?
Thank you very much for your time Brit.
September 7, 2019 at 04:56
Honestly, with only that as a justification, your chance of getting a waiver is slim to none. Be sure you are willing to gamble the fees etc.