People are often confused about how the case numbers are assigned and where they are in “the list” to get one of the elusive 50,000 Green Cards. To answer that properly it is worth explaining the lottery process itself.
There is an entry period of around one month, typically in October of each year. During that time people from all over the world will enter as there is no cost to entering the lottery and it is a pretty simple process.
Between the end of the entry period and the announcement in the following May, the “winners” and (selectees) are chosen. The process is like this.
Entries are sorted into their respective regions, Africa, Europe, Asia, South America and Oceania. The rules say that there should be an equal chance of winning within each region. There is a target of the number of selectees that will be chosen. The actual chance at this point is affected therefore by the number of entries a given region receives, compare to the number of selectees that will be picked for the first stage.
So – let’s look at some examples.
Let’s say that Africa receives 5 million entries (each entry can be for a single person or can include derivatives). It might be decided to pick 100,000 entries for the initial stage. That would mean a 2% chance of getting to that stage (100,000/5,000,000*100). Another region might have a higher percentage chance of winning per entry but get far fewer entries.
This is probably best explained by looking at some real data from 2013. The reason to use 2013 data is because that is the latest year that we currently have complete data – both entries and selectees.
So – first of all take a look at how many entries each country in the OC region had. I used official entry data and official selectee data.
Because the published selectee data includes derivatives (family members) I use a formula to calculate the family selectees and then use that to calculate how many cases were picked from the entries (because the lottery is per entry, not per derivative).
OK so now we can see that in 2013 the region as a whole enjoyed a 5.9% chance of winning a place as a selectee. I have shown the resulting chances per country but as I stated before the actual chance of winning is the same across the whole region (mandated by law). There are variations of course such as Nauru which appears to have had a winning chance of greater than 10%. However, what really happened is just coincidental – they seem to have got 9 cases selected, rather than the 5 cases they would have expected. That is due to the nature of a random draw – nothing to get worked up about!
OK, how about a larger region for the same year – let’s take AF region.
Now there is something to get excited about! I have highlighted four countries than have unusually low winning chances and enormous number of entries. If the draw is “fair” then Nigeria (which has 1.35 million entries!) should have around 13 times the number of winners than Algeria (with about 100k entries). They don’t – so what is going on?
Well the answer is that during the draw process, an artificial limit is imposed (in some way) on the four countries who would otherwise have received a huge portion of the overall selectee count. The last line shows that the four limited countries had 70% of the entries for the region but only received 40% of the selectees. So – they are being limited, for sure. In DV2013 and DV2014 this limit was around 6000 selectees per country (including family). In DV2015 they have lowered the limit to 5000.
So what impact does that limiting have on the process?
Well for applicants from the limited countries it means they have a lot less chance of being selected than people in other countries within the region. I cannot find where that result is supported by law, but I suppose the justification would be the 7% country limit. However, only one country (Nepal) has a realistic chance (high probability in actual fact) of hitting the 7% limit with 5000 selectees in DV2015. The four limited African countries were unable to hit the 7% limit even with >6000 selectees in DV2013 and DV2014 due to low response and success rates.
In addition the strategy of limiting countries creates holes and a concentration of selectees from the limited countries to the lower case numbers. To understand why, it is helpful to understand the draw process.
How is the draw performed.
The draw itself is a multi step process – the steps being:-
- Separate the entries into their regions
- A computer randomly orders every case for each region, assigning a region specific rank number (case number). This would start at 1 for the highest ranked entry and continue right down to the very last entry (which is why we have leading zeros on our case numbers). So a number could be be like 2015AF00021123. The numbers are consecutive at this point, with no gaps between case numbers. The numbering is region specific so just as my example if for an AF number, that same number could exist in different regions (for example 2015EU00021123, and 2015AS00021123). Remember, each case represents a single selectee and their derivatives.
- Next there are steps applied to identify and remove fraudulent entries. This is done by photo biometric matching processes, database searches on the names and other information within the entries. Those entries removed create gaps or “holes” in the numbers. These holes are randomly distributed throughout the number range. We often discuss the “density” of the cases versus holes. If a lot of fraud within a region, then the density of the cases will be low.
- The next step is to decide the selectees that will be notified. A computer process takes the entries in rank number order, keeping a count for each country as well as an overall count. There seems to be a count on the individual selectees and also one on the derivatives for each selected case. At some point a country will reach a point where it will be limited. From that point onward the process will knock out further entries for that country. Again this produces holes after the point that a country maxes out, and of course, this means the density of real cases will be lower in higher case number ranges (at least in AS, EU and AF regions which each have limited countries).
- Once enough selectees are chosen for the region, the selection process stops and they are ready to notify the selectees.
The above steps have been deduced from reading publicly available information and also apply a bit of common sense.
I hope than de-mystifies the process somewhat.
Update July 12, 2019 – I am including a link for this video that explains that process in a simplified way.
The data shown above is available for download here.
March 17, 2019 at 5:04 pm
Hey, Simon!
I have a question concerning entry status check and selection process.
I`ve read a lot of examples when people checked their entry for the first time in May and they were not selected, but in a month or two later they were selected.
Does this mean that the process of selection doesn`t end in May and your entry can be chosen like at any time till the end period for the specific year?
And does it make sense to check my DV-2019 results till September 2019? Or this is senseless?
Thanks for your answer:)
March 17, 2019 at 5:30 pm
No that is not what happens. In some years, there is a single 2nd draw (around October). It did not happen this year.
October 5, 2020 at 5:17 pm
Hey simon i have a question.i come from uganda,but i have a higher ranking case number , because it’s above the 55000 .how do i have the chance getting an interview
October 5, 2020 at 10:30 pm
You will have to wait and see. When you give your number, include the year and region.
May 9, 2019 at 12:15 pm
Hey Simon, thanks for the great blog you’re running and the tremendous amount of work put into it.
I’ve a few questions regarding the draw process you described above.
Step 1: You mean all entries (i.e., DV applications), right? So if there were 11M entries in the AF region, all of them would be assigned case numbers, with the last one being 2020AF11000000?
That means that only at Step 4 the actual draw happens, where the WINNING entries are determined, right?
May 9, 2019 at 12:18 pm
Sort of, yes. That is what “selectees” means.
May 9, 2019 at 12:37 pm
Thank you.
So each year KCC adjusts a number of entries to be selected (selectees) based on averages for the last year’s response rate, hole numbers/density, and all the other disqualifying factors?
May 9, 2019 at 12:51 pm
Yeah sort of. There seems to be a 2 year cycle, two year under selected 2 years over. That suggests there is a delay in feeding through the factors you mention to the process, causing the large delayed under and over course corrections. They might be using data from “last full year” rather this this year – but that is only speculation.
You’re asking smart questions and reading between the lines well.
May 9, 2019 at 2:24 pm
Thank you. After seeing so many people this year get unusually high numbers in EU & AF I’m trying to understand what’s going on. Africa’s numbers were in the same ballpark back in ’14 and ’13 (and they were processed like crazy with some backlog in the middle), but Europe – never. I wonder whether Europe would follow the same scenario this year, as they clearly had something in mind at KCC picking up this amount of people.
May 9, 2019 at 5:54 pm
We will see. Sometimes their decisions are every bit as bad as they first appear.
May 11, 2019 at 2:56 pm
If you won the lottery – does it mean that you didn’t submit a double entry? (with all same data and photos) – becase I guess these are taken out as fraudulent. When I was filling my application last year – web page froze right after I pressed “submit” and I had to re-fill the entry. And submit it again. But we received positive reply now – which means first entry didn’t get registered? Thank you.
May 11, 2019 at 4:43 pm
Well no it doesn’t mean that – but as the web page said, if you did not get a confirmation number from the entry, then the entry was not made. Stop overthinking it.
May 11, 2019 at 3:45 pm
The second step in how the draw is performed is not flawless and it shouldn’t be like this. I think the fraudulent entries are removed at the very beginning and then case numbers are assigned to each entry. Why would they do that when they can prevent creating unnecessary holes or gaps at first?
May 11, 2019 at 4:58 pm
Right so there are 15 million entries and you think they should work on ALL of those rather than focussing on the first 100,000 or so.
Doesn’t that sound silly to you?
May 11, 2019 at 6:57 pm
I couldn’t get my answer but you are more knowledgeable and experienced than me and maybe I am wrong.
You have covered almost all of the stuff related to Diversity Visa Lottery program but we have a new unknown phenomenon in recent two years and that is President Trump’s Travel Ban affecting six countries. I want to talk specifically about Iran one of the affected countries by this ban and according to the Department of State website the Iranians are banned from getting a diversity visa. However, they can still register for the lottery and go to visa interview but they are told by consular officials that you cannot being issued visas as the ban says and we need to examine your eligibility for the waivers. Their application, however, undergo a very long time in administrative processing before a visa can be issued to them by September 30 of that fiscal year.
According to statistics, Iran is among one of the countries with highest number of registrants and highest number of selectees (around 4500). The Department of State claims that all 50,000 diversity visas must be issued within a fiscal year.
I am wondering who gets the high share of the visas expected to be issued to the Iranians when they cannot get theirs due to the Travel Ban?
May 11, 2019 at 7:52 pm
Long winded question.
Visa are issued within regions, not allocated by country. So other selected benefit.
July 13, 2019 at 8:16 pm
Please are they going to do second draw this year?
July 13, 2019 at 10:18 pm
Maybe.
May 27, 2019 at 11:55 pm
Hi,
My case number is 2019AF456xx, when will I be interview?
May 28, 2019 at 12:41 am
Have you sent documents and checked they are satisfied? When?
May 28, 2019 at 7:30 am
Yes, I submitted my DS form since July 2018, and got a reply that said document received.
May 28, 2019 at 1:59 pm
That is not an answer.
July 14, 2019 at 7:13 am
Hey
My case number is 2020AF34XXX and submitted DS260. When Schedule for interview?
July 14, 2019 at 3:02 pm
Next spring.
July 14, 2019 at 9:45 am
Am not sure what criteria is used to select entries from my region ie Kenya because I have successfully applied for the program in the last 20years and not once has my entry been rejected yet no success. Is there another formula for the same application?
Frank
July 14, 2019 at 3:06 pm
The chances of winning are about once in 200 years…
July 18, 2019 at 1:30 pm
Hey Brit, my case number is 2020AF10xxx i submitted my DS-260 on May 13, 2019. When am i likely to: receive the notification email to submit required documents, to receive a notification email that the documents are reviewed and accepted, then to be interviewed?
July 18, 2019 at 2:52 pm
You understand the process, process times vary, now be patient.
July 21, 2019 at 11:58 am
Hi brit how are you ? Before the interview i was try to register my newly born son by the US embassy @ Addis Ababa , Ethiopia and i was ask and report this and other related cases via its email AddisDV@state.gov by my yahoo email XXXXXX
The inquiry or questions were written in Amharic language and these are the following .
ጠና ይስጥልኝ
1 . ከልደት ና ጋብቻ ሰርተፍከት ጀርባ ላይ የዉጭ ጉዳይ ማህተም ቢኖር ችግር አለዉ ?
2. የቪዛ interview ክፍያ እንደት ነዉ ሚከፈለዉ ማለት በባንክ ወይስ ?
3. DV ከመጠጣ በሀላ የተወለዱ ልጆች እንደት ነዉ ሚመዘገቡት
April 13 ,2019 was date of reporting inquiry to the AddisDV@state.gov . via email . But the embassy was not give answer for these inquiries at that time rather it was sending automatic reply for me . Due to the automatic response says do not reply to this message , I was not read the message that was sent to me rather I was think the message as US regulation and l leave it to read and send to addisIV@state.gov . So my dear if you suspect the son was born before entry that was a best and perfect evidence for your suspection . This was my first trial of registering my newly born son by the embassy . So my dear check my inquiry on the website of AddisDV@state.gov on April 13 ,2019 . I hope to hear your positive response .
Sincerly,
XXXXXX
This was the message that i have forwarded to the embassy today , so my dear Brit , what do you think the answer of the embassy to me ?
Thank you for your quick answer .
July 21, 2019 at 2:57 pm
I have no idea what you are asking.
July 21, 2019 at 3:51 pm
Hi Brit . to clear idea . I was interviewd on may 13 ,2019 but the co refuse visa due to my son was not added in to my case . but before the interview i was trying to register and add my infant on my case and i was send a report on may 13 ,2019 by us embassy website AddisDV@state.gov but it does not give answer at that time rather it send automatic reply that say do not reply this message . And at this time i understand the message as US rule that prohibits resending message . so my dear if i ferward this message to the embassy , then what do you think it’s answer . Becaue i think that it avoids suspection wheather the infant born before or after entry .
Thank you for your quick answer .
July 21, 2019 at 4:31 pm
Again, your question is so confused I really have no idea what you are asking. I THINK you are asking what they will respond – I have no way to predict how they will respond, but because your posts are so confusing, I don’t know the scenario either.
So – let’s try it this way.
1. When was the child born?
2. When did you ask the embassy to add the child to your case?
3. Did you add the child to your DS260?
4. Did you create a DS260 for the child?
July 21, 2019 at 6:23 pm
OK my dear Brit
1 When was the child born? October 29 ,2018
2. When did you ask the embassy to add the child to your case? April 13 , 2019
3. Did you add the child to your DS260? NO
4. Did you create a DS260 for the child? I don’t understand this
July 21, 2019 at 6:53 pm
Oh my. So you just left it for months. That was very unwise. They probably doubt the birthdate also because maybe they think the child was born before the entry.
August 1, 2019 at 4:00 am
Hello Mr.Simon,
Our case number is 2020AS000296xx. I want to know the expected interview month. thanks.
August 1, 2019 at 4:06 am
https://youtu.be/MXkJoEPxPZU
August 3, 2019 at 2:15 am
hi brit please my cn is 2020AF50xxx and ds260 sent on July 27th 2019 when could i get my second letter! And also my interview
August 3, 2019 at 3:30 am
https://youtu.be/MXkJoEPxPZU
August 6, 2019 at 4:14 am
brit, if say there are 5 million entries from Africa, that means the last case number would be 2020AF5000000 right? But why dont we ever see a winning case number with a case number of say 2020AF4938099?
August 6, 2019 at 5:11 am
Because the numbers are assigned randomly within the 5 million, and the winners are then the “first 30k” numbers for example. The numbering IS the draw.
August 15, 2019 at 10:13 pm
hello,brit please i just want to founds out if ur case number is 2020AF00030486 in Africa if you can beinterview? and when can you be expected interview month. thanks.
August 16, 2019 at 3:28 am
I have several recent articles about that – please invest the time to read those.
August 18, 2019 at 3:58 am
Hi Mr. Brit
I am sorry for bothering you…my case no is 5900. i am from Nepal, when i will get 2nl ?
plz reply.
August 18, 2019 at 4:29 am
A few months. Be patient.
August 18, 2019 at 3:59 am
year 2020
August 31, 2019 at 10:27 am
I am dv 2019AF0035*** send the required documents on may 21 and they said my documents were received late during the time of processing and when I call the Kentucky they say they did not recive them what might be the problem
August 31, 2019 at 3:18 pm
Well I don’t know why they did not receive them, but you should have checked earlier. You have now lost you chance, there is no way to get an interview now.
October 17, 2019 at 5:43 pm
Hello sir I entered the dvlottery 2021 but am scared my photo got may have and issue and also I was once selected for the dvlottery 2016 but an agent asked too much and I couldn’t afford it so I lost it. Sir can u take look at the picture sir ????
October 17, 2019 at 8:15 pm
No. Wait and see if you are selected.
November 13, 2019 at 1:04 pm
Good Brit,
Thank you for your clarification in most of the questions asked by different peoples,
I have a quick one;
1. I did fill my DS-260 using a passport that will expire next year August, in the meantime I did applied for a new passport which I will probably get early next year, will that affect any of the process? regarding that the passport number of the new will differ to the one I did use while filling my DS-260?
2. My case number is 2020AF00017XXX, when will I probably receive 2NL, considering that I just submitted my DS-260 2 days ago?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE.
November 13, 2019 at 11:14 pm
1. No problem.
2. The will ask for documents soon. Then 2NL in late 2019 or early 2020.
November 14, 2019 at 7:12 am
Thank you Brit.
November 16, 2019 at 6:20 pm
Hi Brit!
Thank you for your hard work, you can not imagine how much your videos and articles are such a helpful tool.
Unfortunately for some of us, we only find out about you 2 days after submitting the DS260🤦🏿♂️
So yesterday I spent the all day reading your articles and watching videos.
I realized that I made some silly mistakes🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ on the addresses and some dates (like when I started leaving here and there… or studying…).
So after watching a video on unlocking the DS 260, I decided to unlock the DS260.
I then used the same format/template in the video and sent an email to Kcc to unlock my DS260.
Here are my preoccupation.
1. I have to change the address of my sponsor (I 134), is there any problem if I do change it?
2. To change the passport number I used while filling the DS260; I just realized that those passport are not currently used in my country. ( according to what I knew, if the passport(old) is valid you can still use it until you change to the new one), my old passport will expire in August 2020.
Thank God I will get my new passport soon.
Will that create a problem? As I want to change the passport number when it out on my DS260.
(I Am currently not leaving in my country of origin for the last 12 years).
3. To rectify some addresses for where I was leaving while in my country, and years about when I finished some of my qualifications. Will this create problem?
All the other informations are accurate.
My case number is AF17XXX, according to your predictions it should be current in January/ February.
Thank you for your understanding and your help will really be appreciated.
November 16, 2019 at 6:58 pm
1. No problem. Just understand that the person whose address you give in the DS260 is not always the same person that would complete an I-134 for you. The address in the DS260 is where you want the GC to be sent once you enter the USA.
2. You can update the DS260 if you want, or simply take the old and new passports to the interview.
3. No
November 16, 2019 at 8:53 pm
Once again thank you so much.
Now my fears are going down.
I will only rectify the dates and addresses, the rest am not going to touch them.
Hope they will open my DS260 soon so I can do those modifications.
June 21, 2020 at 9:43 am
Good morning sir,
Your space is of significant helpful to us.
I humbly want to ask if you could please tell the implication of answering “no” to “is your spouse immigrating to the US with you?” question on the DS 260 form.
2. Could it be possible for the spouse to join the partner after sometime, say after a year or two?
Kind regards,
June 21, 2020 at 7:03 pm
1. Just means they won’t be included in the process.
2. Yes. It takes around 2 years, and is more costly & complex.
June 21, 2020 at 11:05 pm
Grateful for your time sir. Got it now.
June 8, 2020 at 8:11 am
Hey Brit am Isaac i have checked for my results of 2021 on june 7th east african time 12pm and my entry has not been selected. Should i loose hope or i just keep checking until 30th september
June 8, 2020 at 3:57 pm
In some years (not all) there is a second small release of winners, so check again in November.
July 11, 2020 at 12:33 am
I am trying to fill DS-260. What is “Electronic Diversity Visa Confirmation Number?
I put my case number, did’t work.
Thank you
July 11, 2020 at 1:50 am
Sorry, I find out what number they are asking for. Thanks
July 11, 2020 at 2:11 am
Well done.
August 23, 2020 at 9:24 am
Hello Brit
Are visas of derivatives counted amongst the 55000 visas?
August 23, 2020 at 9:01 pm
Yes
January 6, 2021 at 10:29 pm
What do mean when you say some countries in the African region have been capped? My case NUM is 2021AF714** how many people are before me?
January 7, 2021 at 7:33 pm
It’s explained in my video above. Some countries get more winners than can be processed, so no further cases are chosen from those countries.
January 7, 2021 at 7:48 pm
Okay thanks 4 responding, one more question: how many people are ahead of me looking at my case number 2021AF714**3
January 7, 2021 at 8:07 pm
You can check here:
https://dvcharts.xarthisius.xyz/ceacFY21.html
January 25, 2021 at 8:42 am
Mr. Brit, the route to chek how many people ahead of you on the given link is not accurate,I entered my case number and its says its a hole…All numbers i entered are said to holes.
What does a 47 percent hole rate mean anyway..
Thanks
January 25, 2021 at 2:00 pm
Remove the leading zeros!
January 25, 2021 at 9:33 pm
Thanks a lot. It works. I saw the cases before me. God bless you lots.
Am 2021AF00025XXX . it shows that i have 13,000 cases before me.