The “new” travel ban (discussed on this earlier post) is likely to cause problems to selectees from each of the selected countries. In my earlier article I have listed the selectee counts for the countries impacted by the ban. I have been asked by some to consider the impact of the ban on the regions, and how it will affect the process for other cases in the regions. If the ban stays in force and slows down or destroys the chance for most or all of the affected selectees from the banned countries, what will that do to the regional case number progression. It’s a somewhat callous question given the horrible shock to the affected selectees, but it’s not unreasonable for others to wonder what will be the impact to the other countries.
As I have discussed, KCC raised the number of selectees in DV2018 – and unlike DV2016 and DV2017 we are likely to see some high case numbers not become current. This is explained in this post about DV2018 selectee numbers. But the affect of the over selection varies by region and the impact of the ban varies also.
Africa region has three countries affected by the ban (Libya, Somalia, Chad) which represents less than 1000 of the over 49,000 selectees chosen in that region in DV2018. So – because this is a small proportion of the overall regional selectee count, there is little or no impact to the region as a whole.
Asia region however is different. The ban affects selectees from 4 countries in the region, Iran, Yemen, Syria and the lone selectee from North Korea). In total there are over 6000 selectees affected in a region that has 16000 selectees in total. So – there is a huge difference to the impact as compared to Africa. The remaining 10,000 unaffected selectees might have less competition for the available visas – so that could change the outcome for Asia.
However, I am being careful to not predict that Asia can now go current at the moment. I’m being careful because of two things.
1. We don’t know if this ban will be challenged and will survive. As I have mentioned in my article about the ban, the new order is worded in a much smarter way. They have described, for each country, the rationale behind the ban. If Trump and his team had never mentioned “Muslim ban” and simply presented this – it would have been much harder to attack. So – the question is whether the courts will allow some lawsuits to connect the first ban with this, or whether they treat this as a totally new (and therefore more reasonable) order. It is too early to know the answer to that. It is conceivable that the ban stays in force all the way through DV2018 OR the ban might be weakened or removed. WE simply don’t know.
2. We also don’t know whether KCC will hold back visa bulletin progress in order to protect the position of the Iranian, Syrian and Yemeni selectees. We have seen them do something like that before – although recent experience in background checking has meant that selectees from those countries (particularly Iranians) who are interviewed in the second half of the year have high chance of being placed on AP and very small chance of clearing AP in time – so KCC may be more pragmatic about their approach nowadays.
Both those factors are realistic possibilities and impossible to predict. And BOTH would be very impactful, so “wait and see” and a conservative approach is the only “smart” answer at this time.
September 27, 2017 at 13:45
WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE SELECTED ACCORDING TO THE COUNTRY OF BIRTH NOT OF NATIONALITY. AND The ban affects citizen of Iran, Yemen, Syria , North Korea,Libya, Somalia, Chad.
how can someone born in ban country but citizen other eligible country not include in ban countries.
September 27, 2017 at 14:02
Maybe cause of that there will be another draw to compensate the selected. Is this possible Lawyer?
September 27, 2017 at 14:19
September 27, 2017 at 15:06
If this ban goes on and it affects the Dv-Selectees does this mean that more Dv Visas will be given to other regions or no ?
September 27, 2017 at 15:38
September 27, 2017 at 15:46
Hi, I think that this situation do not affect to Venezuela, I know that this article do not mentioned this country, but before is very important know that bans go to government of my nation, the venezuelans selected in the lotery do not will have problems in your formalities. Is my little analys.
September 27, 2017 at 16:10
That is correct. That was made clear in my other post about the ban – and that is why I have not mentioned impact to SA region.
September 27, 2017 at 16:23
do u think that USA Court on coming 10th of october will release the ban from those countries?
September 27, 2017 at 17:41
The hearing on the 10th October has been cancelled. So – it will be seen in time whether any other legal challenges are made and seek to “connect” the two bans.
September 27, 2017 at 16:23
Thanks. Very useful.
September 27, 2017 at 17:08
Hi simon, so if someone have a nationality of these banned countries, but his country of chargeability is not one of those banned countries. What is his situation ? Does it affect him. ?
September 27, 2017 at 17:40
I’m checking on that currently.
September 28, 2017 at 13:30
Did you find the answe for mu question ?
September 28, 2017 at 14:23
I have emailed KCC, and am waiting for their response.
September 28, 2017 at 14:28
Thank you for your help, I really appreciate that.
I will be waiting for your answer.
September 29, 2017 at 12:19
Hi mr simon any updates ?
September 29, 2017 at 13:50
No. The reply from KCC was useless.
September 27, 2017 at 17:53
I am from Yemen
Which has banned
September 27, 2017 at 18:11
Sir, if my wife comes from one of the countries named in the new ban (not Venezuela) and has no other passport than the original one, she would be banned even as my derivative in the Lottery 2018 (her aunt and uncle possess the U.S. citizenship)?
September 27, 2017 at 18:32
Probably yes. The new order (from October 18) doesn’t allow exceptions for bona fide relationships, BUT you might be able to get your Green Card and later sponsor her (since there is a provision for waivers in those very close family cases). You should consider this and perhaps proceed with your case to see how that will affect you.
September 27, 2017 at 20:47
hi, if one from the pan countries and has bona fide and the scheduled interview before 18th October. what u think the situation gonna be?
September 27, 2017 at 20:51
The previous ban terms are continued until Oct 18 – so the situation is going to be that someone will have to show the bona fide relationship. If someone has prepared well, they could succeed.
September 28, 2017 at 15:47
Hi again ,can bone fide proved by form I-134 as completed by 1st degree family member ?
September 28, 2017 at 16:07
Why are you connecting the I-134 with a bona fide relationship?? They are two separate things, and the bona fide relationship is only important to cases that appear for interview in the next 3 weeks.
September 28, 2017 at 16:35
How to prove the bona fide, is their any form , so I thought I-134will be as bona fide and sponsor
September 28, 2017 at 17:11
Again – you are mixing up two unrelated things.
September 29, 2017 at 15:02
Simon, h can I prove my bona fide? I be 1st degree relative in US. Which kind of form or paper ?
September 29, 2017 at 15:56
You would need to prove the family relationship. That will mean showing the relationship through birth certs, marriage certs and so on.
October 2, 2017 at 19:37
Thank you for your answer, Sir. It does not have elementary logic and it goes against the DV Lottery principle. How tu sue Trump’s administration for that in the most effective way?
October 2, 2017 at 20:04
You can’t sue.
September 28, 2017 at 08:22
The Iranian citizens are going to interview in Turkey. Turkey is in the EU region.
September 28, 2017 at 13:28
Do you have a question?
December 8, 2018 at 06:52
i’m somali winner dvlottery so how about if i have another countries passport?
December 8, 2018 at 15:49
If you have dual citizenship you can be approved.
September 28, 2017 at 17:11
Yes Brit, it is so sad. I am sorry with the 2018 winers. Hope the ban will be end soon. My question is because of the ban for Iran, how this situation will effect the interview slots in Turkey. Could it be faster?
September 28, 2017 at 17:17
Asia Region will get more visas?
Iran,Syria,Yemen& North Korea = 6000 seletee
if they are not eligible to get diversity visa, so Asia regions unaffected selectee have more chances to get visa?
September 28, 2017 at 21:19
Why are you asking a question that is the EXACT point of the article above???
September 28, 2017 at 17:38
Slu brit que doit etre la dimension de la photo
September 28, 2017 at 21:18
Please post in English and follow the photo instructions.
September 28, 2017 at 20:41
We appreciate your great effort and look forward to more of you
September 29, 2017 at 17:21
Hi Brit,I was Opened My spouse Application Under his Father Name, some days before i got new passport under my name
,i was changed all of my spouse father name location to My name on 2 Forms,But Summary Information page showing
My spouse name with her father name,
Is this any issue?
i need to correct it?
September 29, 2017 at 17:41
I don’t understand what you did.
September 29, 2017 at 18:16
Hello brit.i was married fter ds 260 submition.then i got married and unlock my form and add applicant for my spouse
.i used my spouse old passport its not included my name.so i opened form under her father name.
Then i renew spouse passport with my name.
And again unlocked and submited all of name location remove her father name and put my name.i am the principal applicant.
Home page.i mean summary information page stil showing her namme with father namd.is this any problem?
Spouse applicant form indicting her father name.is this any problem?
September 29, 2017 at 19:17
Not a problem as far as I know. You have asked about this before.
September 30, 2017 at 22:33
After an enquiry from Department of State Consular Affairs online , they advised that DV2018 selectees of banned country will still get interview schedule and the eligibility for visa would be determined by the officer… Do you also have any updates or comments on it?
September 30, 2017 at 23:51
No – that is exactly what I have said so far. People are entitled to an interview to discuss with the CO the possibility of a waiver – but very very few waivers will be granted because the justifications are not broadly applicable.
October 1, 2017 at 03:03
I got my visa through dv and I went to us but after I got there I paid 220 USD for the green card but after 15 days they just send me a letter from their USCIS office to bring my passport…..my question is am I in trouble or is th re any problem with my documents?pls let me know your opinion or suggestion???
October 1, 2017 at 03:16
It is probably to take new biometric (fingerprints etc). It happens sometimes. No problem. Just do what they ask.
October 1, 2017 at 10:28
Is it ok to go and take the biometric when you you return back from your home country or biometric has to take only on the date that USCIC office set?
October 1, 2017 at 10:32
Hi, what are your expectations for publishing the next counties Egypt
October 1, 2017 at 11:50
Thanks Brit for your help.you said me to avoid AP you have to be well prepared.I prepared all the ducoments except the affidavit of support. 1-is the affidavit of support needed at the time of interview.2-how can I get or from where.thanks again.
October 1, 2017 at 12:04
1. It depends on the embassy.
October 5, 2017 at 20:36
What are your expectations for the December Bulletin in Africa and Egypt specifically
October 5, 2017 at 20:47
What are your expectations for the December Bulletin in Africa and Egypt specifically
October 6, 2017 at 00:36
I don’t have any expectation.
October 1, 2017 at 13:13
Please the embesay is American embassy in Nairobi. Do they need affidavit of support?
October 1, 2017 at 13:52
October 3, 2017 at 10:24
I heared you asking the question about how the ban will affect dual citizens. I am holding an Iranian and a European citizenship, so I have had the same question. When talking to the KCC yesterday, the woman on the phone told me that applications from dual citizens who applied with a passport from a non-designated country will NOT be put on hold. We will be proceeded based on the passport with which we entered the lottery. Also, she seemed pretty chill about the whole issue and said the officer at the interview might not even ask about the other passport. However, incase they do, she adviced me to additionally also bring birth certificates of my paretns to the interview.
I hope I could help, and good luck!
October 3, 2017 at 13:41
The ban clearly states that dual citizens will not be affected by the ban if they are travelling on a passport from non banned country.
October 3, 2017 at 14:39
no, depending on the embassy it does not states that clearly. The US embassy to Germany for example still has the ban explicitly for dual citizens on their website, not in regards to travel, but in regards to the lottery. So, I understand that this may rise confusion.
October 3, 2017 at 14:48
It’s not up to the embassy. Check the correct site.
October 3, 2017 at 15:01
Can DV2018 Winner of banned county go to the Interview if he is dual Citizen or will be refused .
October 3, 2017 at 15:47
That scenario can be approved.
October 5, 2017 at 05:05
HI Mr Simon
i was born in Lybia but i’m only national of Egypt (Egyptian Citzen only)
will the ban affects me for applying in DV2019 ?
will be there any DV2019 selectness for Interview from banned countries ?
how will they know that i’m only national of Egypt while they asking in DV2019 forum about country of birth not nationality ?!
thx for your help
October 5, 2017 at 12:46
Everyone can apply – from banned countries too.
October 5, 2017 at 19:32
From your previous experience is there any hope of opening the ban
October 5, 2017 at 19:38
There is no previous experience.
October 6, 2017 at 00:38
I have no idea – no one has experience of this…
January 4, 2018 at 05:07
Helle Brit Happy new year I was able to solve a few CAPTCHAS YESTERDAY will try to do so again today .please I need your help I got my interview in Guangzhou in November but was placed on AP because I didn’t have the noncriminal record by then I had to lived up to 6months in China so I went to the PSB and was asked to come for it when I clock 6months. So it happened that before the 6months I had changed my school and thus my work permit for the former school cancelled
My new school applied for a new working permit for me but it’s taking so much time and at the PSB the work permit is needed before the noncriminal record is offered .my question
-1 what if my medicals expires before I get the noncriminal record
2- should I contact the embassy and tell them the reason for my delay?
January 4, 2018 at 05:57
1. YOu would have to repeat the medicals.
2. If you want.