Everyone loves a birthday – right – well sometimes a child turning 21 can present a problem if the parents are waiting for a DV interview. However, turning 21 does not always mean the child cannot get a visa, and I will explain why. This is a slightly complex explanation, but it needs to be…
DV lottery child about to turn 21
For immigration purposes the child is considered to have become an adult at age 21. For DV lottery purposes, that meant that once a child turned 21 before the interview they were no longer able to get a Green Card. However, in 2002 the US government introduced a law called the Child Status Protection Act (CSPA). The intent of the new law was to provide some help to families that are waiting for their case to be processed and freezes a child’s age in certain circumstances. It is a mathematical formula but for DV lottery purposes the effect is to add some time beyond the 21st birthday by which time the case should be current. How much time – well the formula is based on the entry and announcement dates. So first of all let us calculate the difference between those dates.
My understanding (based on information from Jesse Bless) is that as long as the case with the child becomes current before the age out month (21 years PLUS the year appropriate CSPA protection) the child’s age remains “frozen” even if the interview is held later (although it is important to file the DS260 prior to that date).
The extra time is the period of time between the first day that entry begins and the day that winners are announced
For DV2024 the dates are October 5, 2022 and May 7, 2023 – a gap of 214 days.
For DV2025 the dates are October 4, 2023 and May 4, 2024 – a gap of 213 days.
Ok so now we know the CSPA “extra time” – how do we apply that. The rules say the child’s age will be frozen for that extra time and the case must become current within that new time. The date of interview within the current month is not important – the issue is when the case becomes current. Let us take an example.
DV2015 Example
A child is named as a derivative on a family case for DV2015. The child turned 21 on June 10, 2014. The child will “age out” on January 8, 2015 (June 10 plus 212 days), so the case must become current on January 2015 or before. The actual interview could be scheduled for a date after January 8 2015 as long as the case was current in time.
DV2016 example
For a DV2016 example let us say the child will turn 21 on February 28, 2015. Adding 216 days to that birthday means the child ages out on October 1, 2015. That means the case could be OK if the case number is low enough to be current in October. That would be a nervous wait to see the September visa bulletin!!!!
DV2020 example
For a DV2016 example let us say the child will turn 21 on August 15, 2019. Adding 216 days to that birthday means the child ages out on March 18, 2020. That means the case could be OK if the case number is low enough to be current in March of 2020.
There is a nice simple date calculator here. This will help you figure out when your child will age out.
NOW THEN a word of warning. You MUST list every child on your EDV entry that is under 21 at that time regardless of whether they will age out or not. Not listing a child under 21 is certain to cause disqualification.
However, if your child has aged out or is not able to receive derivative benefit at this time, all hope is not lost….they can be petitioned for at a later time-under the Family Sponsored Category etc. Keep in mind, that the process is longer however, so the family might be separated for some time.
There is now a good description by USCIS here.
Just a two words of warning.
The CEAC system will drop the child turning 21 from the system automatically. That doesn’t matter, and it does not affect the processing in any way.
The COs/embassies have been known to not understand the CSPA rules as they should be applied to DV. They may even think that CSPA benefits don’t apply to DV cases. Therefore it is important to advise the embassy that you are bringing the child who passed 21 (as long as you have calculated they are covered by the CSPA), and if I were you I would print out the guidance from the government linked above.
November 15, 2016 at 09:36
hi mr. brit,am Penina, i am confused by the calculations of the cspa. Please help me. I filled ds forms for my son and submitted on 27th june, 2016,am waiting for my interview probably in Jan.2017. He turned 21 years this year on 22.2.2016. Will he attend interview or has he aged out. Please i will appreciate your answer.
November 15, 2016 at 10:01
Hii penina,
I have the same problem
Can i contact with you
Email !?
November 15, 2016 at 10:05
Hii penina,
I have the same problem
Can i contact with you
Email ??!
November 15, 2016 at 10:59
ooh yes no problem
November 15, 2016 at 11:07
Thank you
What is your E-mail ?!
November 15, 2016 at 15:52
He aged out in September. He cannot receive a GC as your derivative. There is no doubt.
October 12, 2016 at 13:54
Its a question in ds 260.Have u had previous job?If i answer with yes says need job information for last 10 years.I have worked in my present job since 20 years,but before 20 years have done other jobs.How to answer for previous job yes or no? Thank u.Need a specialist answer.
October 12, 2016 at 18:12
Use your best judgement on how you want to show your work history.
October 12, 2016 at 09:28
Which is primary occupation artist/performer or retaired??
October 12, 2016 at 18:17
PLEASE. You are asking lots of questions which are just common sense. Please respect my time and use your own judgement on these very simple decisions.
October 11, 2016 at 22:20
Hey Brit ! I have a question.My father now is retaired.He used to be a Singer/Performer,but he works now in some private schools as teacher.Primary occupation is retaired or artist/performer.Appreciate your answer.
October 11, 2016 at 23:24
So – what is the question???
October 11, 2016 at 15:32
Hello Simon, concerning the information on the Child Status Protection Act (CSPA) that appears in your site, could you please let me know what is the specific source where you got the math formula that establishes the number of grace days based on the extra time between the first day that entry begins and the day that winners are announced.
Also, could you please clarify under the DV2016 example what is meant by “the case could be okay if the case number is low enough to be current in October”.
I would appreciate your response as usual.
October 12, 2016 at 05:47
The 2003 memo (which is one of the sources I have used) is linked above.
The example relies on the interview month being set before the child ages out. It should be clear from the article.
October 11, 2016 at 09:20
Brit in my country says secondary level of education is high school what to do help???
October 11, 2016 at 23:17
Again??? Age 12 and above.
October 10, 2016 at 21:14
Its problem if we fill from high school and above?
October 10, 2016 at 22:27
I already answered..
October 10, 2016 at 19:49
Surnames is just my last name.Stupid question i know,but in example is juan garcia.
October 10, 2016 at 20:23
Garcia is a lastname.
https://britsimonsays.com/completing-the-ds260-for-dv-lottery-entrants/
October 10, 2016 at 19:46
Second level and above is from high school brit?
October 10, 2016 at 20:22
12 years old and above.
October 10, 2016 at 05:45
Simon I couldn’t understand the calculation, my nephew is born on July 19 1995 and their interview will be November 15 next month, is he covered by CSPA law?
Thank you
October 10, 2016 at 16:56
Yes. He will age out ion February. So – he will be fine. However, your family should print out the memo linked from my article as some COs will not understand it, or know it applies to DV cases.
October 10, 2016 at 05:44
Hi Brit!Street information in my language or english?
October 10, 2016 at 16:57
Your choice.
October 9, 2016 at 20:16
From 6 class?
October 9, 2016 at 10:18
And my education need from high school and above ???
October 9, 2016 at 14:03
From about age 12 upwards.
October 9, 2016 at 10:15
Hello Brit.Hope you are well.In education section name of the schools need in english on in my native language (for example fakulteti i ekonomise or faculty of economics.)Have a nice day.
October 9, 2016 at 14:02
Use English.
October 8, 2016 at 19:04
Hello Britsimon, Can a child bellow 21 years be a derivative of parents as well make His/Her own application in DV2018?Hope this is not a double entry.Thanks
October 8, 2016 at 23:35
That is fine.
October 6, 2016 at 20:38
And in diploma section brit?
October 6, 2016 at 21:02
Use your judgement.
October 6, 2016 at 19:33
Ok thanks for my brother which is in highs school what to write in course of study and diploma section???
October 6, 2016 at 19:47
An accurate description of what he is doing – which is probably “general studies”
October 6, 2016 at 18:22
What do you mean with current dates?Date of the end or date of the day we fill ds 260?
For example begining 1.10.2013 and end day today date?thanks brit but explain me well.
October 6, 2016 at 18:24
Todays date.
October 6, 2016 at 16:52
Hello!I have some questions about education in ds260.My brother is in high school second year and in education section what i need to fill?Number of institutions education attended 2? Course of study (high school??) Degree or diploma???Date of end??He is in process.
I am in last year university so in process.Number of ins. Edu Attend . 3???,Course of study Economics??Date of end I am in process.Please help me how to fill my last section in ds 260.Ty.
October 6, 2016 at 17:32
For in process dates choose the current date.
October 6, 2016 at 14:07
so my late interview is August 2017?Thank u very much.
October 6, 2016 at 11:40
Brit bro my birthday is in 11 January so?THANKS.
October 6, 2016 at 12:49
So – based on that – what did I say?
October 5, 2016 at 22:21
Hi!I won the dv-lottery in September.(9September.)We are 4 members in family. .In January i do 21 years old.I think my interview can be 2-3 month later after my birthday,.I know that is a law called ”CSPA” that can help me,but although i read your article i didnt understand at all.Can you PLEASE say me in advance my deadline (nearly) to get a vissa?CAN U CALCULATE ?Thanks for help.I really need this help for u.
October 5, 2016 at 23:42
What date in January do you turn 21?
October 6, 2016 at 00:28
Basically you are covered by CSPA until an interview as late as August 2017. If your birthday is VERY late in January, that may even include September.
October 6, 2016 at 10:24
Brit bro my birthday is in 11 January so?
October 6, 2016 at 12:51
My answer is clear then.
October 5, 2016 at 11:54
but should they say 2 children when they have 3 including me?i know they will not be able to take me.I am just asking if they should say 3 children or 2 ?to be more clear the question where it says the number of children is to write all the children somebody might have or only those unmarried and under 21?It’s pretty confusing.My parents don’t know what to write.They think if they write 2 when they actually have 3 will be considered as fraud if they win and they will be disqualified.I’m just trying to make sure so they don;t make any mistake.Thank you.
October 5, 2016 at 13:40
Write 2, enter 2.
October 4, 2016 at 17:52
hello,should my mom and dad include all children that they have including me that i’m married because at instructions they say : “all living natural children ,all living children legally adopted by you
; and all living step children who are unmarried and under the age of 21 on the date of your electronic entry, even if you are no longer legally married to the child’s parent, and even if the child does not currently reside with you and/or will not immigrate with you.”.My parents have 3 children including me .Where it says the number of children should they write 2 and only write about my sister and brother or i should be included too?This is very important ,so i would really appreciate your response.Thank you for your time.
October 4, 2016 at 19:34
The instructions say
“14. Number of children – List the name, date of birth, gender, city/town of birth, and country of birth
for all living unmarried children under 21 years of age, regardless of whether they are living with
you or intend to accompany or follow to join you, should you immigrate to the United States. ”
So – since you are married you cannot be included. If your parents win they will not be able to take you…
October 4, 2016 at 13:20
Do you have documentation to establish that you have received vaccinations in accordance with US law?Yes or NO????
October 4, 2016 at 13:05
ok thank u .Invoice id is the same as case number?
October 4, 2016 at 13:12
Yes
October 4, 2016 at 13:15
I dont understand Number of Educational Attended?1,2,3.My father and mother has finished university and i am in process.How to fill it?I saw your explanations in different pages but yet dont understand to fill this section.Help Brit xd
October 4, 2016 at 13:23
I’m not going to respond to answer every question you are firing at me when you can’t seem to be bothered to read the link I gave you that explains the way you should answer these questions. READ the link I gave you. Take some time to understand. This is YOUR case, take some responsibility for it.
October 4, 2016 at 12:23
Can i contact embassy to leave the interview before my 21 birthday?Can i contact with anyone?How the CSPA works?What to do?And how time we have to fill ds 260? My case number is 24xxx.I have won the dv lottery in september.Thank you.
October 4, 2016 at 12:46
Have you actually READ the article above??? Your answers are there! Get on with completing the DS260 without delay! When your case number is current, you will be scheduled. And please READ the many articles I have written already that explain what to do. Start on the link below.
https://britsimonsays.com/completing-the-ds260-for-dv-lottery-entrants/
October 4, 2016 at 10:55
And something else my case number is 24xxx.When my interview can planned?
October 4, 2016 at 12:47
https://britsimonsays.com/dv2017-basic-questions/
October 4, 2016 at 10:54
Hi Brit !Can i ask the embassy to plan me a interview date before my 21 birthday which is in 2 months.I have won dv lottery in september.Can i contact any person?And how time we have to fill ds260?Thank you.
October 3, 2016 at 22:26
Brit your answers are very helpful.I have 2 questions for u.
1)How to fill petitioner information in my ds260?(i dont understand really very well.)
2)Number of Educational Institutions Attended.3???(First period of school, high school and university in last year.(in process.)How to fill it?And is for any member in my family?Thanks in advance.Glad if u can help me in detail.
October 3, 2016 at 23:04
1. You are the petitioner for yourself.
2. https://britsimonsays.com/completing-the-ds260-for-dv-lottery-entrants/
October 3, 2016 at 18:25
Can i fill ds260 without passport?(with id card).A member of my family is in process doing it.Thanks.
October 3, 2016 at 19:59
Yes – you can use “othjer official ID” but then add the passport later.
October 3, 2016 at 13:19
Is the same thing Simon?
October 3, 2016 at 16:03
Is what the same thing. Click REPLY if this is a continuation of a previous conversation.
October 2, 2016 at 20:11
Where i can find Invoice id for ds 260 Simon?I cant find anywhere.Thanks.
October 3, 2016 at 03:55
Case number.
October 1, 2016 at 15:55
Hi Simon!i won the dv lottery this year.When i fill the dv lottery was 19 years and in january i do 21 years and interview can be in April.Any problem?
October 1, 2016 at 17:15
You get the same protection of the CSPA as described above.
September 22, 2016 at 12:11
Hello
I selected in DV lottery 2017 and my interview is on November 9th in Abu Dhabi.my childs now are unmarried and under 21 years old but one of my child will be turn 21 years old on November 2 please guid me about this.
September 22, 2016 at 14:43
The article guides you completely. There is no problem.
September 11, 2016 at 17:36
how come my name was among the selectees ( in which case mom and dad )?
September 11, 2016 at 17:40
They probably modified your birthdate on the entry. However, regardless of whether you are on the selectees or not, you cannot get a GC as their derivative on the DV program. You need to consider this as it will take around 6+ years for them to sponsor you (assuming you stay unmarried).
September 11, 2016 at 17:29
Hi Brit,
thnx for the useful tipps.
I have a small question, when we submit an entry, is there a restriction on age ( under 21 in case of children) at the time of registration?
i mean my parents and i were selected, but at the time of the entry submission i was already 21+
so, did my parents mistakenly added me as an elligible derivative or is 21 plus few months still acceptable at the time of registration, if its so, do I still have a chance of getting a GC when im nearing 23 now :)(
case no. 2017 AS 75xx
Thanks alot for your help
September 11, 2016 at 17:33
You cannot be a derivative on their case at your age.
August 26, 2016 at 21:41
Thanks a lot for your quick response.
September 16, 2016 at 00:15
can you please tell what was your situation in the interview ? Thanks
August 26, 2016 at 19:29
Hello Brit Simon,
So i have a question. My mom has been announced that she won the DV Lottery a week ago, and I’m turning 21 years on august 29 august, 2016. From my calculations I’m aging out in April, is that right ?If so, If we will have the interview before April, the chances to get visa as a derivative are 100 % or there are exceptions ?
Can you please attache the link where I can find the CSPA original law ?
Thank you very much !
August 26, 2016 at 20:47
Sounds about right. There are no exceptions, it’s a law – however, not all CO’s will understand the law or how it is implemented so you/your Mom may have to stand your ground.
You can read at the link below, but chances are you will have more questions than answers – but anyway – good to print it and take it to the interview.
https://fam.state.gov/fam/09FAM/09FAM050201.html
August 18, 2016 at 06:26
Dear britsimon,
But her name is included in the interview notification email with my
wife,also in the initial entery.
i am confused why they asked her to show up in the interview and she
will be refused !
Is there any chance Brit.?!
Thank’s for your great help ..
August 18, 2016 at 14:08
She was on the eDV so she is on the 2NL – that is normal. BUT there is no chance. It is a matter of immigration law.
September 16, 2016 at 00:13
hello please can you tell me about your situation in the interview ?
August 15, 2016 at 04:00
Hello BritSimon,I have submitted my DV entery on October 2014 while my doughter was still under 21 ,,she turned 21 on Feb2015 and i got selected for DV lottery2016 on May 2015.
Where we stand !
Thank’s and regards
August 15, 2016 at 13:21
She “aged out” already – months ago. She cannot get a visa as your derivative now.
July 29, 2016 at 11:43
Hello,My interview Was on march 3rd of 2016 and my son turned 21 on 4th of july 2016(our visa status is Adminstrative proccesing) so will he be rejected if we get the visa?
July 29, 2016 at 15:22
No – he will be covered under the CSPA – exactly as the article describes.
March 9, 2016 at 08:42
Dear Brit,
My daughter is already turned 21 last July the 22nd. The article and calculation method are clear to me. Our number is AS71xx
My question: the interview may take place in August or September and she is not eligible at that time. Are there any exceptional case the CO has the right and the authority to consider and approve the visa for her with the rest of the family?
Many thx
March 9, 2016 at 14:32
No, the CO has no ability to make an exception. You will have to sponsor her – so make sure she remains unmarried.
March 17, 2016 at 09:12
Dear,
I have contacted KCC and they answered me as below :
“Thank you for your inquiry.
If you have a child who has turned 21 since the time of your original entry, you must discuss this matter with the consular officer at the time of your interview to determine his or her eligibility…”
thank you
March 17, 2016 at 14:04
That is a standard response – it doesn’t mean you should have hope that the CO will make an exception….
March 17, 2016 at 17:13
Very clear Brit … Many Thanks for everything.
September 10, 2016 at 00:56
please can you tell me what has happened with you ?
January 28, 2016 at 19:11
Hi Simon
Need alittle help please.i live in a dutch country and i have no one else to ask.
I became 21 on the 13th of september 2014
My mom(aplicant) received an entry notivication on the 2th of november 2014
She was also notified thats she has been selected on the 5th of May 2015.
Our appointment date was on the 6th of January 2016
My parents got through with their visa
But i do not understand why i am 18 days over the time. During the interview the CO called us in 3 times. They also had problems checking the days for me. I did not print out imformation about these dates. they were clearly confused while calculating. So can you please help me with the correct calculation?
January 28, 2016 at 19:37
You were over 21 at the time of the initial entry – so you should not have been included on the lottery entry at all. You are not covered by the CSPA, and can not get a derivative visa from your mother on the DV program. All they can do is sponsor you once they are residents.
January 28, 2016 at 20:13
Ok
Thank you
December 26, 2015 at 16:52
Can my child get visa only if she passed 2 months after her 21st brthday?
December 27, 2015 at 05:18
POssibly – the way to get a precise answer is clearly provided in the article above.
December 26, 2015 at 16:48
My child is going to b of 21 on 27 dec 2015
Now what can i do.. plz help me…
I called nvc to xpidite the case but they said the case is not current…
I have submitted all the documents already….n i want my daughter to come with….me…. now wht should i do??
December 27, 2015 at 05:19
Read the article!
September 16, 2016 at 00:08
Hello hira,
can you please tell me what was happened in your interview about your daughter ?
December 19, 2015 at 14:26
OK thank you..after filling the ds260 form for my kids it says that it’s completed(they are now 22 and 23years old and unmarried)
I received a letter saying that me and my family have an interview appointment early next year.
Do you think they have any chance in getting trough?
December 19, 2015 at 21:32
As I already said – they cannot get a derivative visa through the DV program as they have aged out.
October 7, 2015 at 20:30
I am selected to the 2016 edv lottery. I filled the ds260 form for my two kids.I would like to know if my kids who are now 22 and 23 can be selected aswell
October 7, 2015 at 21:35
If they are already 22 and 23, no, they cannot be included – you will not be able to sponsor them quickly either since they are over 21 (current waiting times are around 5 years. Plus, in order to be sponsored at all they must remain unmarried.
August 27, 2015 at 18:46
Please Simon, How about entering the US after the expiration of the freezing time?
August 27, 2015 at 18:54
I’m not sure I understand your question. Do you mean if you approved whilst the child is 21 because their age was “frozen” but then enters the USA after some months by which time the CSPA protection has passed. That would be fine – no issue.
July 10, 2015 at 03:03
Hi Brit.
I knew that there would be an article on your site that cover this scenario. I have a serious issue. My child will turn 21 July 15, 2015 and my interview is August 25, 2015. Where do I stand? From your analysis, my child will be aged out then. Please advise.
July 10, 2015 at 03:04
By the way, thanks for all your help 🙂
July 10, 2015 at 03:36
I think you misunderstood the article. Your child will remain eligible even if not interviewed until February 2016. So you are fine. However I strongly recommend taking some information about the CSPA to the interview as the CO may not understand the impact to DV cases.